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Breastfeeding support group wants to allow males

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user643899 · 22/11/2020 20:03

I am in a Facebook group for breastfeeding support.

There's a new comment from admin asking if we'd be comfortable with males joining the group, then a subsequent poll.

I commented on said poll, "I am a feminist. Call me a terf. Biologically you are male or female. Feel free to identify as what you wish but you cannot change your sex. This group is for breastfeeding. Only females can breastfeed."

I was called a bigot. One comment read, "you aren't a feminist. Feminists want equality for all genders." I responded,"Equality for both sexes, yes. Female is a sex. Feminism derives from the word, female."

Now my original comment has been deleted. I daren't comment again through fear of removal.

I'm upset. This is the group I used when I had thrush. I posted pictures of the thrush on my boob. I can't be comfortable in a group made for my sex.

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user643899 · 23/11/2020 00:15

Hw then do we help a father to support his partner? How then do we normalise BF in a way where boobs are not just for sex in a mans eyes?

Hold on. What do you mean, how do we help a father? Why is that our job?
Why is it our job to desexualise breasts?

Women must give up their safe spaces in order to help stop men sexualising us. Confused

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Cailleach1 · 23/11/2020 00:15

Well, people are not able to meet in groups properly at the moment. And babies still need to be fed and nursing mothers will still have problems and worries that need help and guidance. So, what would put you off sharing photos would be voyeurs. You know other nursing mothers are going through the same thing and breastfeeding advisors have the knowledge to impart. These breastfeeding leaders will probably also have breastfed themselves. Someone who is neither looking at the photos would make you think twice. Sadly also limit a nursing mothers's ability to get advice.

DidoLamenting · 23/11/2020 00:13

and I would have wanted limits on who could possibly see close-up pictures of my breast too

How do you propose limiting who is going to see these pictures once they are posted? It seems the height of naivety to think no one outside the group will be able to access them.

MoonJelly · 23/11/2020 00:12

Can men breastfeed?

Yes.

health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/parts/why-men-have-nipples1.htm

BlackWaveComing · 23/11/2020 00:12

@littlbrowndog

OP with you all the way on this

Ignore the people who think it is entirely normal to think that men are entitled to be in all our spaces.

It’s not

QFT
littlbrowndog · 23/11/2020 00:12

OP with you all the way on this

Ignore the people who think it is entirely normal to think that men are entitled to be in all our spaces.

It’s not

Quaagars · 23/11/2020 00:10

That right is conditional on getting the titties out for the lads on the internet, is it?

Why are you sexualising breastfeeding? No-one else has done that on the thread, all some posters have said is that maybe normalising breastfeeding and men supporting their partners/learning about it could be a good thing.

littlbrowndog · 23/11/2020 00:08

Why are some women and men so keen to break down understandable boundaries

What are they trying to achieve from this ?

Cailleach1 · 23/11/2020 00:08

If normalising that is the aim, surely these males could better support the normalising of breastfeeding as part of a public campaign. They won't get mastitis or suffer from a bad latch. or worry about their milk supply. I don't understand what is in it for them to be party to the photos of the breastfeeding breasts. If you rule the obvious out.

Quaagars · 23/11/2020 00:07

Hmm. It is a group where you can post pictures of something which is wrong or baby's latch. Others in the group can view the pictures to learn and offer their help

The posting intimate photos online for others to look at seems problematic in itself to me!
Unless OP meant they've done that in a RL group rather than a FB one, as you wouldn't know who was viewing your photos or where they'd end up if the latter...

PotholeParadies · 23/11/2020 00:06

Women do not need to sacrifice their personal comfort and every personal boundary they have on the internet in order to be entitled to breastfeed outside their own home.

There is a difference between a woman breastfeeding in public and putting a close-up photo of a latch on the internet. I was very picky about where I breastfed in public, and I would have wanted limits on who could possibly see close-up pictures of my breast too.

If I needed to see a GP for a breastfeeding issue, would it be unreasonable if I was only willing to show my GP, and not an entire waiting room of men and women, too?

I am going to walk away from this thread for a bit because otherwise I will get banned. We are in a pandemic, women can't meet up with antenatal friends, normal drop-in services have gone, and all some women have left is online groups.

And on a feminism forum, you're saying women have to have men as members of a private facebook group in order to justify having the right to breastfeed in public. That right is conditional on getting the titties out for the lads on the internet, is it?

littlbrowndog · 23/11/2020 00:05

Shy. Really

What about religious women.

And really just what about women who don’t want men in their breastfeeding groups.

Jeez what is so hard to understand about that. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Cailleach1 · 23/11/2020 00:04

Hmm. It is a group where you can post pictures of something which is wrong or baby's latch. Others in the group can view the pictures to learn and offer their help.

It isn't a public campaign. Tough legislation which means a woman won't be thrown off a bus or asked to feed her baby in a toilet would mean a lot more for breastfeeding mothers. Or businesses to provide facilities for expressing milk and storing it.

It doesn't appear to be about normalising breastfeeding and making it easier for breastfeeding mothers to breastfeed.

user643899 · 23/11/2020 00:02

@june2007

If you were that shy you can use an alias this is online were talking about not a face to face group.
Shy? I'm not shy. I don't want men to be in a group for breastfeeding females.
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user643899 · 23/11/2020 00:01

@PucePanther

Nope, I'm not being picky. It's a breastfeeding support group for people who breastfeed. Well I’ve always called it boobing. I wouldn’t expect to be excluded for that choice. And you don’t get to tell me what to call it either.
No one is being excluded based on their terminology. They're being excluded based on their sex. Hth
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littlbrowndog · 22/11/2020 23:59

It’s colonisation.

Why do some professional s think it’s oh so cool to think that breastfeeding women have to have men in their groups

Give over and stop pandering to men

Set up a group for the interest Ed men and crack on with that

june2007 · 22/11/2020 23:58

If you were that shy you can use an alias this is online were talking about not a face to face group.

PucePanther · 22/11/2020 23:57

Nope, I'm not being picky. It's a breastfeeding support group for people who breastfeed.
Well I’ve always called it boobing. I wouldn’t expect to be excluded for that choice. And you don’t get to tell me what to call it either.

littlbrowndog · 22/11/2020 23:56

Well maybe just maybe some women don’t want men to be in a breastfeeding group.

That’s why

The men can go to a group on how to support your partner when she is breastfeeding

justicedanceson · 22/11/2020 23:55

Good grief. I personally don’t care if ftm trans people want to join a breastfeeding group. They are biologically female and can breastfeed so I’m sure it would be relevant. But letting Transwomen in seems bizarre full stop. There is literally no good reason for that to be allowed.

Likewise changing basic biological terminology isn’t inclusive it’s actually excluding women whose body parts are involved. I really just can’t understand what people are thinking these days.

june2007 · 22/11/2020 23:54

So do we say to men it,s none of your business? Hw then do we help a father to support his partner? How then do we normalise BF in a way where boobs are not just for sex in a mans eyes?
Why then do we except advice from a male doctor but not allow men to discuss learn about bf?

ClaireP20 · 22/11/2020 23:51

@june2007

Men need to be informed, men support. I have been a association of breast feeding mothers mother suppiorter and a Le lkeche league trained peer supporter. And we supported the whole family including men. If we want to "normalies2 bf we need to include men.
No we don't.
Quaagars · 22/11/2020 23:50

But by saying men not allowed we are saying this is a private matter

Thinking about it, yes, isn't it better that it isn't seen as something secret, to hide away, and to normalise breastfeeding?

user643899 · 22/11/2020 23:50

@june2007

Assoaciation of breast feeding mothers allows men. Le leche league allows men, Breast feeding network allows me. The best book I read about Bf was mostly written by a man. The groups I went to were very occaionally attended by a man for 5-10 mins. Normally women. But by saying men not allowed we are saying this is a private matter. This can be used against us. 9yes it,s private so cover up and do it in private.)
Which is why I no longer use those.

Even more of a reason to have a female-only group

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june2007 · 22/11/2020 23:48

Assoaciation of breast feeding mothers allows men.
Le leche league allows men, Breast feeding network allows me. The best book I read about Bf was mostly written by a man. The groups I went to were very occaionally attended by a man for 5-10 mins. Normally women. But by saying men not allowed we are saying this is a private matter. This can be used against us. 9yes it,s private so cover up and do it in private.)

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