Teenager drop-kicked for saying you need female genitals to be a woman

*Men in their prime have died from one punch, because of the way their heads hit the concrete as they fell.

Yes they have, and even those cases have not always resulted in a jail sentence*

The difference is intent. As you say, one punch to the face is unlikely to kill someone, but it can result in death is the person then falls and hits their head.

So while they are responsible for that death, the intent to kill is unlikely.

However knocking someone to the floor and repeatedly kicking them in the head? I think anyone knows that will result in serious harm or even death, so the intent to cause serious harm is there...

[quote jj1968]Men in their prime have died from one punch, because of the way their heads hit the concrete as they fell.

Yes they have, and even those cases have not always resulted in a jail sentence.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8250899/Cambridgeshire-motorist-spared-jail-punching-cyclist-death-broken-wing-mirror.html[/quote]
Thats fucking vile. Men get away with so much violence. Depressing as fuck, like usual.

They could not have easily killed him, anymore than someone punching someone in the face could easily kill them.

That though..while a punch can kill someone, being repeatedly kicked in the head is presumably much more likely.

I see a lot of fights sadly where I live (usually men, when drunk) but its very rare to see someone being kicked in the head tbh. I have a friend who has permanent(mild) brain damage from the very same thing like 15 years back, thats the only time I have ever heard of people kicking others in the head here. Infact, from what I have seen, once someone hits the floor, they are left alone. Its a 'big thing' for the vilent blokes round here apparently, once someone 'hits the deck' you have won so leave it.

Mind, he described it as 'he stamped on my head' which is maybe a bit different to kicking..depends how hard. But either way, its awful behaviour, and the judge should not be condoning it in the way it appears.

Men in their prime have died from one punch, because of the way their heads hit the concrete as they fell.

Yes they have, and even those cases have not always resulted in a jail sentence.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8250899/Cambridgeshire-motorist-spared-jail-punching-cyclist-death-broken-wing-mirror.html

And yawn about the constant sheltered lives bull. I haven't. That is why you and your posts gets on my last nerve.

I used to live in a flipping homeless hostel. Single-sex, thankfully. The mixed sex homelessness hostel in the same town was known for its rate of sexual assault. So I'm against men being allowed into women's hostels. One of my close female relatives served time in a women's prison. That's why I can't ignore that TRAs ignore transwomen in women's prisons.

Avocado bathroom to you and your family.

I didn't expect this thread to deliver any startling insights, but unexpectedly it has.

I am beginning to see why there is such an unbridgeable gulf between FWR regs and TRAs now. We're just so much more grounded in biological reality than you, aren't we? The reality of being female, the reality of post-surgical outcomes for quality of life (surgery is never a nice day out at the seaside), considerations about the ramifications on bone-density from endocrinological interventions, and now, the reality of how delicate even life itself is. Before you consider its quality.

Men in their prime have died from one punch, because of the way their heads hit the concrete as they fell. Even if it doesn't cause death, brain damage may result. When we talk about brain damage, we don't just mean the media portrayal of visible brain injury. Currently, 15% of people who suffer a concussion (which are very easy to cause) are thought to suffer ongoing Post-Concussion Syndrome which is no joke either.

Research suggests that 50% of homeless people have had a traumatic brain injury in the past- that is how important and influential brain health is.

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/dec/02/half-of-all-homeless-people-may-have-had-traumatic-brain-injury

Like hell would you say that if three or four men had got a teenage transwoman down on the ground and were kicking her in the head.

I have been in exactly that situation whilst a car full of coppers sat and watched. Some people on this thread I suspect have led very sheltered lives.

They could not have easily killed him, anymore than someone punching someone in the face could easily kill them

This is ridiculous. You need to look up 'king hit' and 'coward punch'.

I personally know of a young man who died JUST this way.

Still sidestepping the facts, then, jj.

I know I'm not altogether saying anything new here, but I don't understand the charging decision. Was it politically motivated? This case would have had eye-witness evidence from the onlookers, and there was video evidence. Why only violent disorder?

The woman was convicted of "causing fear or provocation of violence" but it looks like she actually kicked that young lad too.

I would have thought that the male people's actions qualified as actual bodily harm.

Meanwhile people need to see that a violent, abusive man in a frock is still a violent, abusive man.

That is about the right sentence in this country for trying to maim or kill someone. Which was a likely outcome had those mindless thugs not been stopped.

We seem to have lost our way. It's probably best not not to bother the police/courts with law enforcement any more. They have more important considerations.

there is no... evidence of special treatment because of the all powerful trans

Are you perhaps forgetting the remark from the judge that of course transphobic issues are particularly sensitive?

I would have thought that in the year where we have seen BLM protests and calls for change on a truly massive scale, that the racism here would be at least as “sensitive”.

But no. It was the transphobia that was singled out for special mention.

Why was that, I wonder?

Like hell would you say that if three or four men had got a teenage transwoman down on the ground and were kicking her in the head

Exactly.

Exactly.

If what that boy said is such a horrific transphobic hate crime that he deserves a 4 on 1 beating, why wasn’t he prosecuted for it?

Quite. I'm almost surprised he wasn't.

For goodness of sake, it's a perfectly normal sentence for an assault that didn't result in serious injury, there is no precedent being set here or any evidence of special treatment because of the all powerful trans

They could easily have killed him, and anyone knows when they kick someone in the head that it's a not unlikely outcome. Slow hand clap, jj.

For goodness of sake, it's a perfectly normal sentence for an assault that didn't result in serious injury, there is no precedent being set here or any evidence of special treatment because of the all powerful trans

I have no idea whether the sentences were normal or not. I have no idea either, as pp said, if it’s normal to prosecute for public order rather than assault.

What I find distasteful is the judges comments that their behaviour was Ok. That because someone believes a woman is defined by biology, and states that belief in public, then it’s a 4 on 1 attack, stamping on head and kicking a person, is a reasonable reaction.

The statement that because someone fails to press charges, it must be because they know they’re in the wrong.

If what that boy said is such a horrific transphobic hate crime that he deserves a 4 on 1 beating, why wasn’t he prosecuted for it?

Didn't phrase that well.

At all.

If girls and women turned around and reacted with violence to stuff that happens... It's not imaginable really.

As for this case.
I mean. People get kicked in a fair amount in n London. He was? A dick? They really went for him.
This is a male on male violence issue. Happens every day. Men fighting.

Not read the whole thread.

Dipped in and out.

Seems that it's ok to retaliate if you get abuse etc.

So if a girl is out with 3 mates on the tube and some bloke makes a comment. The 4 girls can kick his head in?

Because you know. The comments happen all the time. And the kicking doesn't happen. Are girls going wrong here? Not turning round in the pub, the club, the high street. And violently assaulting the bloke who gave them shit.

Well. Doesn't happen does it. Should it?

Apparently this attack was perfectly understandable...

For goodness of sake, it's a perfectly normal sentence for an assault that didn't result in serious injury, there is no precedent being set here or any evidence of special treatment because of the all powerful trans

Very, very seriously worrying.