non-men

Reminds me of Joey off friends when advertising for a room-mate 'non-smoking, non-ugly'

How the audience laughed at such a misuse of language.

Whereas feminists spring forth whenever we're mentioned and when we clock our euphemisms and deadnames. 😂 love that, will now go and dig out my cape.

tbh I think your man is trying to be 'cool woke' and thinking things through may not be a strong suit at the moment

Women. Women. Women. You can say our name. We're not fucking Voldemort

We're far more powerful - Voldy only appeared when people said his preferred name. He couldn't detect people saying Tom Riddle or You-Know-Who.

Whereas feminists spring forth whenever we're mentioned and when we clock our euphemisms and deadnames.

Very wise woman, that JKR.

Why have we ended up in this minefield that means supporting one under represented group means by default we have to tie it to other groups and all that bloody mess?

Because, sadly. we live in a culture in which women are not regarded as fully human.

When I say this, people look at me as though I'm some crazed feminazi. But just look at the evidence - "non-men" !!!

@Coffeeoverload I don't think its supposed to make sense.

In the Relationships threads I see a lot of mainly women talking about how their spouse discombobulates them by constantly changing their wishes and demands.
Its all a ploy to keep the victim on their toes and not knowing what is coming next and this is exactly what is playing out here with the constantly changing language and what is and is not acceptable.

[quote peppermintteadrinker]@CaraDuneRedux "Women. Women. Women. You can say our name. We're not fucking Voldemort"

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This!

peppermint yes 'non-white non-woman' is offensive.

Surely he would be offended if he were referred to as non-white? Can he really not see the insult here? Or is he just tying himself up in knots to not exclude the non-men non-women? Such is the mad world we now live in...
I also don’t understand the double standard of the languaging (new word) these days. If TWAW why is the word woman controversial?
The world has turned into some crazy Alice in wonderland Cheshire Cat riddle 🤯

He is a male person of colour.

Surely yoi mean he is a non-white non-woman?

He said that in looking at issues that affect men in society it also highlighted how those issues contribute to ” inequalities that affect non-men”.

I wonder if you could agree with him but invert the language - something like, 'yes, it's unfortunately true that the inequalities which affect women are contributed to by those affecting non-women'.
And then give a hopefully uncontroversial example eg differential expectations re parenting negatively affecting both dads who want to be more engaged parents but also mums who are assumed to be the default main carer.

Can we counter by divvying up the entire universe into feminists and non-feminists?

Yes. The universe now comprises 2 things and 2 things only:

Men
Everything else

So we are now describing things by what they aren't now, except male/man trumps everything?

Non men = all not male humans over the age of 16 then?

It's worse than that, it's everything in this universe that isn't a sufficiently manly adult human male.

My cat is a non-man. The pile of sick my cat just left in the yard is a non-man. Asteroids and turnips and ducking-stools - all of these things are non-men.

Sometimes I wonder if they realise that for years, men have been trying to tell us that we're not allowed to be annoyed to be referred to under the umbrella term 'man' because it explicitly covers both males and females of the adult human variety.

Man meaning male and also man meaning human, apparently.

And now the new generation of patriarchal twonks are telling us "no, no, of course we don't conflate man and human any more, that would be dreadful. No, we've separated it out, all sorted now, you're a non-man and don't you dare complain about it."

How on earth is that any better?

I think it includes wombats too. And cats.

Play him at his own game. Say he's reinforcing the idea that "men" are the norm and everyone else is an amorphous undifferentiated group of "others."

FFS, it's just so offensive.

Women. Women. Women. You can say our name. We're not fucking Voldemort.

Green party do this. They've currently got someone running for a 'non-men' post who is a male who identifies as non-binary. I feel the women are erased when we have people who identify as men and people who don't instead of sex based categories. I'm hoping this trend will eventually go as more people not involved in fringe politics realise how daft it is.