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Why GC feminists shouldn’t trust US conservatives

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turnitonagain · 20/11/2020 02:23

www.rightwingwatch.org/post/rick-wiles-calls-on-pennsylvanians-to-rise-up-and-chase-transgender-health-secretary-out-of-the-state/

The Pennsylvania health secretary who is trans has introduced a mask mandate. The response of this right wing news site is this.

“Chase that freak out of the state,” Wiles bellowed. “Chase it out of the state. Rise up in Pennsylvania, and chase that freak out of the state! You don’t have to tolerate this stuff.”

This “news organisation” has been invited to Trump’s White House multiple times.

raskin.house.gov/media/press-releases/24-representatives-demand-white-house-deny-trunews-press-credentials

Just a few weeks ago, Rick Wiles asked his guest whether the “transgender movement gets its origin in Zionism."

I know many GC MNers try to apply British views to America and say they’d back Republicans because of the trans issue. I think many are unaware or naive about how much more regressive the right wing is in general and how their anti trans positions often go hand in hand with racism, anti-Semitism, anti-science conspiracy theories, etc.

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BrandineDelRoy · 20/11/2020 05:24

I'm about to turn in. But I've lived my whole life in the American South and have had an abortion. And I entirely understand not wholeheartedly endorsing the Democrats.

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turnitonagain · 20/11/2020 05:16

@Goosefoot

You really can't say that everyone who is a conservative in the US, or even a Republican, is exactly the same or has the same beliefs. Any more than you can say that about the left.
I don’t say that at all. But this organisation was invited to the White House under a Republican president more than once. That gives it an air of respectability.

I’m pointing it out to posters here who have said they would have voted Trump if they were American because of trans. Or who were promoting Sen Kelly Loeffler running in Georgia who is anti trans but they don’t know her other positions on gay marriage or claiming fraud in the Georgia elections against all facts and evidence.

Anyone who wants equality for women, even if they are GC, should be deeply distrustful of the American right.

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BrandineDelRoy · 20/11/2020 05:15

@NotBadConsidering

When you say “trust” do you mean happen to agree with certain political factions on some things and not others? For example, I agree with conservatives generally in the right in the US that it’s not possible to change sex. However I do not agree with this particular right wing person about a trans person being a “freak” and needs hounding out and I would condemn such horrible things, as would everyone else here.

It’s so bloody tiresome, seeing this argument made that it’s “one in, all in”, that is if you agree with someone or some vague entity of a political spectrum on one thing you must instantly condone everything else they stand for. It just isn’t true.

And it also isn’t true that the extreme left is immune from racism, anti-Semitism, anti-science conspiracy theories and homophobia. There’s clear evidence of all of those things.

All of this.
BrandineDelRoy · 20/11/2020 05:09

All this comes down to women deciding to be private property (Republicans) or public property (Democrats). It seems like we should just be able to be human?

NotBadConsidering · 20/11/2020 05:00

When you say “trust” do you mean happen to agree with certain political factions on some things and not others? For example, I agree with conservatives generally in the right in the US that it’s not possible to change sex. However I do not agree with this particular right wing person about a trans person being a “freak” and needs hounding out and I would condemn such horrible things, as would everyone else here.

It’s so bloody tiresome, seeing this argument made that it’s “one in, all in”, that is if you agree with someone or some vague entity of a political spectrum on one thing you must instantly condone everything else they stand for. It just isn’t true.

And it also isn’t true that the extreme left is immune from racism, anti-Semitism, anti-science conspiracy theories and homophobia. There’s clear evidence of all of those things.

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Goosefoot · 20/11/2020 03:55

You really can't say that everyone who is a conservative in the US, or even a Republican, is exactly the same or has the same beliefs. Any more than you can say that about the left.

Delphinium20 · 20/11/2020 03:44

Plus, the only reason they invite GC feminists is to give liberals a poke in the eye. "Ha ha. See ? We're more "progressive" [insert sneer} than you are."

That's it in a nutshell. American women feminists are well aware that the right is no friend to women, children, or really anyone who isn't an evangelical white man....and they aren't even good to white men in poverty!

BettyFloop · 20/11/2020 02:58

I'm not convinced GC feminists "trust" any political group, quite frankly. But maybe that's just me...

I am aware of some right wing thinking about some things and that often puts me between a rock and a hard place. I'd never describe myself as either unaware or naive but I will agree with anyone when they talk sense and, for me, a woman is an adult human female. Just because someone else agrees with me doesn't mean they agree with everything else I think. And vice versa.
I can fight homophobia, racism and anti Semitism whilst simultaneously promoting women's rights.

quixote9 · 20/11/2020 02:55

You're quite correct that the US right wing has reached a level of corruption and insanity that puts them into some kind of overlap between mafiosos and bedlamites.

Plus, the only reason they invite GC feminists is to give liberals a poke in the eye. "Ha ha. See ? We're more "progressive" [insert sneer} than you are."

Except, of course, what they want is the strictest possible, preferably biology-based, gender roles. (Although they'll settle for trans who obey gender roles when they have to. See Rick Santorum, for example.) Whereas feminists want to put the whole pile o' crap on the Optional heap.

There's no overlap at all. It can sound like there is because the two groups use the same words to mean completely different things, but in reality there is none.

But the US Left has erased women. It's all trans, all the time. Women have no rights at all if anybody else needs anything from them at any time.

Faced with that, a spot on a very circumscribed pedestal can look like an improvement. Women's rights are homeless.