Why GC feminists shouldn’t trust US conservatives

If two GC feminists conceding that voting Trump might not be the worst thing in the world means the whole movement is in bed with the far right, then why don’t the three trans Trump voters/donors I identify above mean that the whole trans movement is in bed with the far right?

Why are these two things different?

Don't worry op, I don't trust the right any more than I trust the left. I think we're on our own.

These two posters are doing a lot of heavy lifting for your assertions

It's like Groundhog Day. Two posts on Mumsnet does not make a movement right wing. As PP have pointed out feminism encompasses women with a variety of political views. There's a lot of effort going into bolstering an argument that GC feminism is aligned with the right, but outside of social media bubbles most people will see that for the nonsense it is.

[quote turnitonagain]@DeaconBoo don’t take my lack of response personally as pretty much everyone is commenting at me and you’ll be surprised to learn MN is not the only thing on my to-do list today.

I’m glad you won’t vote Tory but the Tories are pretty much free love hippies compared to the Republicans.[/quote]
I'm not taking it personally and didn't indicate that I would. I was asking why you started a separate thread, specifically addressed to a wide range of posters, to respond to two posters on a different topic. Particularly if you're short of time, it seems an inefficient way to discuss the matter.

Any other views you think I, as a GC feminist, am leaving dangerously unchecked? Perhaps you are unsure on my views on speeding?

Abortion rights are largely now in the hands of the Supreme Court (and State legislatures). They are in [more] danger even with a Biden presidency.

Yes that’s right British GC Feminists are all secretly in the pay of the American Far Right - or any other shite people want to make up to discredit us

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I think a lot of us DO recognise that American women are between a rock and a hard place. I doubt you'd find many, if any, gans of Trump on here.

The right being bad doesn't mean we can't also criticise the left.

Gosh, Wrongthink Friday comes round earlier every year!

Also re: the problem of taking a UK view of American issues- totally agree. The issue as I see, however, is that it is the export of a very American version of social justice that has distorted the debate in the UK. Critical theory, as it relates to race and gender, is a product of the American colleges and it translates very, very badly into the UK. It is, in its own way, extremely and ironically colonial.

"You cannot expect an immigrant woman who can’t get an abortion within 100 miles of her home to be het up about Kamala Harris’s Twitter bio saying “she/hers” which I saw discussed here.

Of course not, however, that same immigrant woman might find herself sharing a room with a male person in a homeless shelter, might find her daughter deprived of her only chance of further education when a male athlete gets her scholarship or even find herself unable to claim sex discrimination when fired from her job for taking time off to breastfeed. All of this could happen if Vice President- elect Harris is not just paying lip service ( as we fervently hope) to the loony left wing of her party.

[quote turnitonagain]@SophocIestheFox I know a Muslim who voted for Trump too. What’s your point?[/quote]
The point is that you’re over simplifying and taking one dimension (left/right) of a multi dimensional issue.

The point is, that it is possible to be right wing and for that not to automatically mean anti trans.

Did you want people to condemn Wiles’ views? I absolutely do. It’s got nothing to do with my feminist objections to the erosion of women’s rights.

People who are not American may live in America - I think it's perfectly fair for them to have views on the politics of the country they live in.

What a weird thread. Op seems to be responding to a couple of posts about Trump but instead of just doing that, is deciding that all GC feminists need reminding again how vile American men can be?

Are you going to respond to my posts where I've said I'll never vote Tory and and Trump is abhorrent?

I leave loads of views "unchecked", sorry if that's "dangerous" but if i went around starting a thread on every racist, homophobic, misogynist or transphobic utterance anyone's ever made - or even those from the last 24 hours - I'd be insane.

Firstly, unlike the people mentioned by the OP, nobody on this board is anti trans. This is a feminist rights board, fighting to ensure that female rights are not eroded and nothing more. Most of us are not based in the USA so it is unsurprising that we are not familiar with the complexities of politics there and I am sure most of us would admit this lack of knowledge.

I agree OP. I think that for married heterosexual women in particular, they often feel that others should just overlook the apparently unimportant differences between GC feminism and the right. I have seen numerous videos and articles shared on here from fundamentalist groups who speak up about anti-trans but are also against homosexuality and abortion. If you say anything about it, you’re accused of derailing the argument and that you should overlook your issues in favour of the wider cause. Obviously people can think what they want but but Trump would have made things much much worse for women than a pro-trans democratic government would (and which we now have). He actively sought to repeal abortion laws which would have hit especially hard for poorer women without access to contraception and who would have to resort to dangerous backstreet abortions if it were outlawed. I don’t really like the expression ‘white feminism’ and would prefer something like ‘middle-class feminism’ but this would be an example of it- expecting others to ignore a major issue that directly affects them. Same in the UK where people were voting tories due to this issue when a) tories were the ones who introduced idea of self-ID and b) their austerity policies have absolutely devastated poor people, especially women.

At the same time, I recognise that people will always vote for what directly benefits them and their immediate family the most and that the expectations of self-sacrifice that come from the left-wing are somewhat unrealistic.

[quote turnitonagain]@Pahrump the Joe Rogan thread was about how he’s anti trans and being accused of being a Trump supporter as a result. Read through it.[/quote]
He's not "anti trans" though...

Also, you didn’t answer my question: what has this to do with feminism? Your analysis only stacks up if you believe the views here are being driven by being anti trans. They are not. They are driven by being pro women. You can argue that they’re not until you’re blue in the face, but that won’t make it so.

Caitlin Jenner is a trump supporter, as are Blaire White and Jennifer Pritzker. Trump more than doubled his 2016 LGBT share of the vote in this past election.

How does that figure in this worldview of it being impossible to be a trans supporting republican?

I have a relatively limited understanding of American politics, but what I do completely understand is all the various ways that wedges are driven into feminism.