Why GC feminists shouldn’t trust US conservatives

It's so bloody boring being told who we should believe, or listen to, or which other websites we should boycott or never mention, how ignorant we all are of the 'reality' of the motives of others, how everyone will think we're meanies if we watch a certain video, or read an article in an unapproved journal and blah blah blah.

Anyone would think we aren't fully mature human beings in our own right, completely capable of forming an opinion. It's a wonder they allow us to vote.

Just fuck off.

I got to picture 30 and instantly thought "House from Beetlejuice owned by Norman Bates".

I know many GC MNers try to apply British views to America and say they’d back Republicans

………. I haven't noticed that, I have to say. If it's any reassurance, I'm British however, without a US vote, so I don't think anyone needs to mind much about who I'd potentially back. It's also a bit of a stretch to assume that considering who I might potentially vote for in a country I don't live in and don't have a vote in takes up much of my time and headspace.

And apologies for the “wrongthink”

You’ve missed the point completely.

That post referred to YOU being the one to come on here and castigate us for our “wrongthink”, you muppet.

You’re Big Brother. Not Winston.

I read about it in the Independent so I’m informed enough.

😂😂😂

Aw c’mon! You’re making your trolling a little too obvious now!

It's a good point that there's a culture gap between Britain and America that we might not be aware of. It can divide the left as well. In a GC Facebook group I belong to, some posters kept complaining about racism. When asked for examples, the one they gave was posters objecting to the 'Karen' insult. To them, 'Karen' purely means a racist woman. But outside America - very often within America, now - it's a demeaning term for any assertive woman or girl.

No one is ‘entertaining American churches as a serious option for GC feminists’ tho?

I wish we could post gifs on Mumsnet:

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The parties are not equally dangerous to women, minorities, etc. So because one shares your public position on trans - and I can assure you their private position is much closer to what I posted in the OP based on my experience with American churches - doesn’t mean you should entertain it as a serious option for GC feminists.

Yeah, we know.

*at least two posters

The GC/American Right alignment nonsense is just another squirrel. Look over there 🐿

This ^^^^

Ok now you're not even trying to hide the ignorant patronising OP - I'm a bit embarrassed for you tbh.
And the OP sat on that for two months, mulled it over, started a thread with a tenuous link between those posts and some crackpot transphobe, and doesn’t have time to address questions raised on the thread they started.

Awesome.

Weirdly, it seems that at least posters have the exact same sort of posting style? No time to address the real questions but loads of time to tell us right-wing Americans are terrible, cool thanks mate.

but the guy in your post is clearly an extremist- did you not read the article?? so you’re saying that we have to put clear water between the moderates and the extremists, and to demonstrate this, you put up
an article by an extremist that everybody here would be extremely keen to have an ocean of clear water’s distance from.

i don’t get it.

There are a lot of posts here that aren’t acknowledging there’s a bit of ignorance and laziness due to distance - well it’s not my country but they speak my language and I read about it in the Independent so I’m informed enough. You’re not.

You are though yeah?

Agree with PPs - I haven't read on these boards any support for Trump and the right of US politics. What I have read is fear of them and fear of the Democrats - who as far as I am concerned re women's rights - are equally malevolent.

I do not trust the democrats with their ideology that -
supports male inclusion in female sports which will lead to female injury/ death (rugby/boxing) and exclusion.
-pretends progressiveness and does so by erasing and dehumanizing woman/motherhood to 'black birthing bodies'.
-considers anything distinct and necessary for women/girls to be unmentionable and transphobic.

The democrats are equally misogynist - the difference is that they think that they are not. Under them - all women's rights are under threat. In the hands of people - who consider women and the female body to be unmentionable and transphobic - abortion rights are equally under threat.

The result to women's right will be the same - just the journey and the actors will be different.

Is that you jj? Because this all feels really familiar.

She writes so well Tartrazine, sharp as a tack and amusing with it:

American readers: If you think being stuck in a culture war is bad, imagine being stuck in someone else’s.

The GC/American Right alignment nonsense is just another squirrel. Look over there 🐿

And, OP, actually we already knew this.

Anyone who wants equality for women, even if they are GC, should be deeply distrustful of the American right.

We know very well that women’s rights are under threat from the right. What you perhaps don’t realise is that it cuts both ways.

Anyone who wants equality for women should also be deeply distrustful of the American “left” (ie the Democrats). Because we all know how they’re rushing to throw women’s rights under the bus too, just from a different directions. Don’t we?

So what exactly is your point?

What a load of old cobblers.

The most sensible comment on this entire issue was written up by Helen Lewis (as ever) in The Atlantic:

"The World is Trapped in America's Culture War:
America won the internet, and now makes us all speak its language."
www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/10/internet-world-trapped-americas-culture-war/616799/

Perfectly articulated @SophocIestheFox

"Also re: the problem of taking a UK view of American issues- totally agree. The issue as I see, however, is that it is the export of a very American version of social justice that has distorted the debate in the UK. Critical theory, as it relates to race and gender, is a product of the American colleges and it translates very, very badly into the UK. It is, in its own way, extremely and ironically colonial."

Kemi Badenoch MP gave a brilliant speech on this recently, specifically as it relates to race and racism.

That house! So much CGI, Christmas and golf.

This comment made me laugh: It’s as if a very rich, very lonely person got suckered into joining a Christmas themed MLM and just kept buying stock themselves so they didn’t get booted out of the Whatsapp group run by their upline consultant.

Errol
I'm inclined to agree.