Why GC feminists shouldn’t trust US conservatives

Real feminism, the original kind, that centres females and fights for their liberation, is naturally critical of gender roles for all the obvious reasons, and therefore also critical of many of the things the us right conservatives want for women too. Eg no access to contraception or abortion.

Well this is the crux of it isn't it. Everything else is just misunderstanding and deliberate attempts to divert and divide.

No not criticising women, criticising the very small number of people in the gender critical movement, not all of them women, who have collaborated with the conservative right.

A 'very small number of people' you say? I thought very small numbers of people were not a problem and could basically be ignored anyway because reasons? Maybe they're not even GC at all, just part-timers. That's how this works, right? I'm not as practiced as some.

Anyway...

I don't think stuff like this is unusual on the left these days where they seem to believe that there is a correct way of thinking and that everyone must agree on everything and any deviation means you're a hateful bigot (meaning you don't even need to consider their point of view any more ) who must be cancelled. See JKR, John Cleese etc.

I also believe that due to this, some people on the left see women saying "I don't feel I can vote Labour any more" and therefore assume that what they really mean is "I love being an evil Tory". And obviously it can't be their fault so it must just be that those women are right-wing bigots because that's the only option left. Because you either think correctly or you're guilty of wrong-think and must be educated.

And whilst we're on the topic, there's always the old "Do it to Julia".

The answer is not label feminism as "GC."

Real feminism, the original kind, that centres females and fights for their liberation, is naturally critical of gender roles for all the obvious reasons, and therefore also critical of many of the things the us right conservatives want for women too. Eg no access to contraception or abortion.

We are allowing men to define us as "GC" and therefore also T++fs. And use us accordingly.

Men sport =

Ferrets down the trousers maybe?

OP, you seem insistent on telling us off or warning us off things that most of us aren't even invested in, or don't believe in!! We're not tweens. We don't need educating on American Republicans. They are splashed almost daily on our newspapers!! Our media can't get enough of it!!

People who have different opinions aren’t all out to get you

As my mum would say ‘its not what you’re saying, its the way that you’re saying it’

And you dont have a different opinion to 90% of the board

- are you “jj” ? (Never heard of her before)

That was a joke

What is a “men sport” that women want to play?

male person in a homeless shelter, >> shelters are usually a private organization and usually run by Christian charities, they don't support this type of sharing

* there are women who want to play men sport. VMI in Virginia is a case where women took over men's space and so now they have to be a military for both men and women.*

even find herself unable to claim sex discrimination when fired from her job for taking time off to breastfeed>> we do need to work on longer maternity leave but Democrats usually support this kind thing

Women's shelters in the USA do allow males to share facilities with female residents and Twitter is awash with photos of said males in these shelters.
Allowing females into a formerly all male military establishment is a redressing of a formerly discriminatory action against women because of their sex just as in the not too distant past allowing women into formerly male only medical schools redressed a similar injustice and is by no stretch of the imagination similar to denying women the right to athletic scholarships because it is physically impossible for any female athlete body to outrun, outjump, outpunch etc a male athlete body .
The lack of proper maternity leave in the USA is also nothing to do with losing a sex discrimination case for taking time off for breastfeeding; the case in point was lost because it wasn't sex discriminatory as " men" can lactate too.

"VMI in Virginia is a case where women took over men's space and so now they have to be a military for both men and women. "

VMI did not want women there for lots of reasons like they have make changes and women will push them too hard to keep up with men and the risk of harassment and abuses (and it did happened at VMI) . Yet women won. This is something that US women fight for. Equal opportunity.

male person in a homeless shelter, >> shelters are usually a private organization and usually run by Christian charities, they don't support this type of sharing

there are women who want to play men sport. VMI in Virginia is a case where women took over men's space and so now they have to be a military for both men and women.

we do need to work on longer maternity leave but Democrats usually support this kind thing

[quote turnitonagain]@NotBadConsidering

Again - the “batshit” groups I’m posting are welcomed and even endorsed the Republican Party. They’re not fringe weirdos as far as American politics goes.

They’re trying to use concerns about trans in sports etc to get politicians in who want to take away healthcare, family planning, and abortion rights.

UK GC feminists don’t have to worry about this. It’s a different battleground in America.[/quote]
And plenty of people acknowledge that a vote for one thing means a vote for other things, but that doesn’t mean an endorsement does it? And it’s the same everywhere. A vote for the Tories in the UK might protect women’s rights more than a vote for Labour but would see worsening social policy for example. But a vote for Labour would be a vote for a party that openly despises and wants to shut up women, even its own elected Members. Same in Australia.

You seem to think that because voters are stuck between a rock and a hard place and in particular women are politically homeless in many regards is the fault of women, particular women here.

In fact, it’s the fault of both the left and the right in many countries who openly despise women and women’s rights leaving people stuck as to who to vote for and who to support.

But again, I’ll reiterate, just because I or anyone else agrees with someone on one thing it does not mean I endorse everything. That’s such a woke student line of thinking that many young people in particular just can’t seem to get their heads around.

Xposts.

Not caught up with thread but assume that comment was aimed at the op.

We do seem to have USA posters when we didn't used to.

I would point out that although we share a language, we are a long way apart both geographically and culturally. Politically. Everything.

It strikes me very odd and somewhat overbearing.

Anyone who believes American politics and issues are comparable with British politics and issues hasn't lived in the US.
It's a huge country (you can get 3 Britains + a bit in the state of Texas alone).
It has different laws.
Many of the adult population have guns.
Compare our politics to a country like Germany or France if you want to make political comparisons.

Just read the op and the rest of their posts.

Very peculiar.

So based on a couple of posts on a thread in September who could have been posted by anyone (this is an open board)

All the British women on here have to be told off about something to do with right wing types in the USA?

I'll read back a bit now but that seems like a pretty random premise for a thread.

turnitonagain

I really don’t understand what your posts are trying to prove. So you’ve posted examples of batshit craziness from the American right. We all know it’s batshit we can all see it’s batshit. What’s it meant to prove?

Anyone could just as easily post examples of batshit from the American or British left. Examples of how people think humans can change sex, how they think there’s more than two sexes, a complete misunderstanding of intersex, a belief that people should be silenced for wrong think. What would that prove about the Democrat leadership?

You seem very muddled as to what you’re trying to get out of this thread .

My incredibly intelligent father just emailed me that there is a coup happening as we speak. I don't believe it. Trump has filed 30 lawsuits and 29 have been intantly dismissed. If someone tried to become a permanent president the Americans would shoot that person within a couple of days with the guns that the constitution allows for killing tyrants. Trump will walk out of the White House and Biden will walk in.

That is scary, Betheanne.

I recently watched the miniseries Chernobyl and it was a great reminder of why anyone who wants a remotely safe and decent world to live in should be very wary of the authoritarian left.

Highly recommend the series, btw.

And I loved this line:

Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth.