Labour MP Fleur Anderson saying TWAW, change must happen and be kind

Add that to the belief of the super-woke that people who don't think like them shouldn't* really be allowed to vote

And in some versions, should have reduced civil and human rights if they're not on message. I keep wondering where they plan to put all the gulags, and who exactly is going to staff them, since there's going to be far more voters in there than out.

Yeah, wokeness is not a big vote-winner but the people who object to it aren’t listened to in any other areas of life so their voices aren’t heard. Not a problem for the Labour Party, until there’s an election and then they start to wonder why they are losing all these seats.

And there is the problem in a nutshell with politics dominated by the elite professional politician, where only those who think and say the right things and stand by very niche views get into positions of power and ensure that only those who think like them are ever successful at job interviews.

Add that to the belief of the super-woke that people who don't think like them should really be allowed to vote, and you should just hold your nose as you go by the massive majority of your voters that you don't believe are entitled to be heard or represented and then reproachfully scold them for somehow not wanting you in power over them, and there you have Labour. Unelectable even in the current times, which is quite a remarkable feat really.

Oh sorry, I think you meant Sophie Wilson didn’t you? She is indeed super-woke.
Yeah, wokeness is not a big vote-winner but the people who object to it aren’t listened to in any other areas of life so their voices aren’t heard. Not a problem for the Labour Party, until there’s an election and then they start to wonder why they are losing all these seats.

She’s conflicted because she can no doubt see what the reality is

Ive heard she can.

Sorry - I hadn't refreshed the page and didn't see that the thread had moved on.

Well the very woke Sophie Walker managed to lose Rother Valley which had been Labour for 100 years, so I wouldn't be too sure about it being an election loser. I certainly can't see them winning back the red wall this way.

They aren’t going to say something that will cause death threats, work problems, etc and these days it seems like not saying something positive can cause the same. Odd eh?

Is it cowardice? I am wondering whether they really don’t think that hard about the issues and/ or they’re stupid. Fleur saying there’s no conflict of rights, when gender identity undermines sex based rights - and undermines sense, reason and everything else?!! I don’t know about this being an election loser (unless they genuinely keep crowing loudly about it). I’m concerned that most people don’t understand or know much about this issue, my friends certainly didn’t, so it won’t be a factor when voting. I know there are a lot of engaged and intelligent women on this issue, but are we influential/ sizeable when it comes to actual voting numbers? I’m not sure. I’m wondering about producing information leaflets etc for the next election to try and raise more awareness. Do we need the worst to happen for people to wake up - I would have thought some of the things that have already happened (men in women’s sport, men in women’s prisons) would have been enough, but it seems as though people have their head in the sand.

"Change must happen", yes, domestic violence figures which have soared must go back down, violence against women rates which have increased should go back down, rape conviction rates which have gone down must go back up.

When male violence has changed then I will "be kind". Until then these over-privileged ignoramuses really piss me off. I've given up on Labour again anyway, they're nothing but crowd-followers.

and Barnard Castle absolutely is the right way to do an eye sight test

Marketers know it costs 5 x more to acquire a new customer compared to retaining existing customers, I wonder what the numbers are for voters?

To just deny the reality of the issues (which is essentially treating all women and their voices and rights in a way they would not dare to treat a trans activist) is about as stupid as saying Brexit isn't happening, Covid isn't real anyway and Barnard Castle absolutely is the right way to do an eye sight test.

Labour really hates women. The internalised misogyny is strong in their MPs as well

Good on Mimmymum! Maybe that will lead Fleur to this thread so she can realise how stupid she’s being and find some support to make a stand.

Cowardice - but they do know those chickens will come home to roost don’t they?

Its moral cowardice. They know. They're unable to face up to it, they can't even handle unpacking and looking at the issues which is why you get the cognitive dissonant mantras. They're afraid of and unable to deal with the behaviour of those who punish heresy vigorously while women might be clear that you're behaving extremely irresponsibly in a position of public responsibility while making a twit of yourself but won't make threats of extreme violence towards you and your family.

Face up to it for pete's sake Fleur and do the job you're paid for.

Or something

They've been targeted by lobbyists who inform them that anyone who doesn't believe TWAW is a nasty terf enacting literal violence with every word. They only leave the room once the mantra TWAW, TMAM and TRAHR has been chanted 10 times. Then they are required to put it in a tweet.

Ellie said she pushed for self-ID. But also believes in women’s rights. I asked her how she would uphold sex based rights and implement self-ID, with examples. She hasn’t replied yet. Are they deluded? Stupid? I really cannot understand how they can’t see that they’re fighting for important facts to become optional. They’re fighting for something that isn’t true or real. People can’t change sex. How is this happening in 2020?!! It feels like a nightmare, watching ostensibly sane and intelligent people convince themselves that up is down, war is peace, science isn’t real, etc. How do they think we’re all here on this planet?! It really is unfathomable.

Is that literally mimmymums job description?

Read mumsnet.
Feel demoralised because you are dim and are unable to refute the sensible facts and opinions.
Post shite on twatter to compensate for your inadequacy.

Can they explain how? More rights than women and Bank of England, google, amazon..... All mining up to kiss ass.

I emailed my MP Ellie Reeves (shadow solicitor general no less) and got a similar reply. She’s full on ‘the most oppressed group’ etc. I feel like Labour is a lost cause. Politically homeless.

I think that trans women are women

I think that's a wee bit telling, Fleur. You think they are but every shred of logic and sense in your body tells you they are not. It's how words work. Not rocket science. You can say you think sea horses are horses, doesn't make it true.