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USA gymnastic trans inclusion policy

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Kit19 · 18/11/2020 13:57

I think Ross Tucker is very much done with this bs now! I remember the days when he was much more “it’s a difficult issue/we need to be kind” but the TRA have of course destroyed that

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MichelleofzeResistance · 18/11/2020 19:23

As far as I'm aware, rather like with skating, male gymnasts have the physical advantages to incorporate the higher scoring moves. Female gymnasts have developed the skill to catch up with some of that, but males will always have the advantage over them.

Not to mention, why do female humans with female biology just not have the right to have sports of their own? Oh. Because male people don't want them to and females only get what male people don't want for themselves and will let them have.

Be kind girls. Hand over what you've fought for to those who didn't fight that battle, don't give a crap about that battle or about females or the damage they're doing and don't see the importance of anything but themselves.

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 18/11/2020 18:57

This is a different one - but same result/reactions.

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 18/11/2020 18:56

The men would have an advantage on everything.

I saw a youtube video on this - I'm pretty sure it was beam, then bars, then floor, although I can't remember exactly - a male gymnast doing the normally female events, and a female gymnast reacting - she was amazed how quickly and easily he was able to do things that took her years to achieve - purely because of his much greater strength.

jcurve · 18/11/2020 18:55

It’s a really shit decision.

Men could absolutely dominate in women’s gymnastics. There is such an emphasis on skill difficulty in scoring. A cleverly constructed beam could easily have sufficiently difficult acro skills (tumbles) to overcome a lack of male flexibility on leaps.

Even Simone Biles would only be a good to potential medal contender if she competed in mens gymnastics whereas in womens she is virtually unbeatable on 3 events. Her difficulty does not stack up against men.

viques · 18/11/2020 18:37

Wow. This means that in most countries girls will have no incentive to take up gymnastics. At a time when we know that even getting girls to try sports is an uphill battle we don’t need to put up barriers that discourage them from the beginning and tell them that no matter how hard they try they can never hope to succeed.

In other countries , eg China and Russia, there will unscrupulous and irreparable damage done to young vulnerable children who have probably never had a thought of being trans but who have the body shape and attributes of a potential gymnast. For some countries medals are all.

As someone on the Twitter pages up thread comments, if there was ever a sport that has a dubious history and doesn’t need further encouragement to manipulate the development of prepubescent children that would be gymnastics.

Chamonixshoopshoop · 18/11/2020 18:18

I'm an ex competitive gymnast. The men would have an advantage on everything.
Trust me!! Ive seen men who balance beautifully and choreography on beam is usually pretty simple

Good bye womens sport.

334bu · 18/11/2020 18:17

Appalling decision. Even on beam where women might have a slight advantage because of lower centre of gravity, men will have more strength to tumble and perform handstands etc. Any male gymnast competing against females will be cheating!

eddiemairswife · 18/11/2020 18:15

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HecatesCats · 18/11/2020 18:05

@HPFA

Women's Gymnastics is one sport where men might not have any advantage. Vault, maybe but beam - certainly not.

Looking at the typical height and body shape of top female gymnasts, very few men would match those.

Vault - definitely. Uneven bars - definitely. Floor - tumbling and upper arm strength definitely. Why would anyone favour robbing women of the right to perform in their own category? How do women benefit from this? Do make sure you answer that last question.
HPFA · 18/11/2020 18:01

Women's Gymnastics is one sport where men might not have any advantage. Vault, maybe but beam - certainly not.

Looking at the typical height and body shape of top female gymnasts, very few men would match those.

Norma27 · 18/11/2020 17:36

The Nasser sexual abuse scandal shows just how little USA gymnastics thinks of female gymnasts.
You would think that they might have learned something from it but it appears not.

HecatesCats · 18/11/2020 17:28

Why did I expect these major sporting organisations to have any integrity after the sexual abuse scandals, the blatant sex discrimination & misogyny and the doping scandals. They've been handed the green light to cheat - it's 'progressive' and 'kind' don't you know, to let boys take places from girls. Bingo! Organisations with zero integrity hear the call and take the opportunity.

Little reminder about the integrity of USA gymnastics:

What did it take to bring down Dr Larry Nassar - the USA Gymnastics team doctor who abused hundreds of young women?

Why did the abuse continue for more than two decades?
^
And did USA Gymnastics (USAG) cover it up?^

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gymnastics/53101341

The more this happens the more World Rugby shines like a beacon of best practice and humanity.

Kit19 · 18/11/2020 13:57

twitter.com/scienceofsport/status/1329032613835653123?s=21

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