“I think you’ve missed the definition of what a man is”

Grabthars, as far as I'm aware Elijah hasn't made any statements on the gender debate. But I don't follow him.

There is no logic op, it's pretty much what Emma Watson said, "anyone is who they say they are"

But that's only if you're a man. If you are a woman and want to define your own reality and not have other people define it for you, you are a bigot and you are literally killing people

I think it would really help an awful lot of us to know this.

Surely you understand that there is a raft of difference between a transgender person and someone who chooses to wear a dress either as a compulsion or simply a fashion statement

Not according to Stonewall who put 'cross dressing' under the 'transgender umbrella'.

Surely you understand that there is a raft of difference between a transgender person and someone who chooses to wear a dress either as a compulsion or simply a fashion statement

I think we all recognise that @Nowayhozay

But what is happening - a LOT - is that a lot of people reverse that, and pretend that because a man wants to wear a dress, then he must actually be a woman.

That's what is bonkers.

What's wrong with feminine men??? Nothing, as far as I'm concerned.

I have no insights to add here but I'll be gutted, properly gutted, if elijah wood turns out to be a twat. I had the crush to end all crushes on him as frodo in LOTR as a teenager, and I will accept no judgement for that. Have you seen the American version of the show Wilfred? I thought he was great in that too. I'll be so sad if he turns out to be a gender twat.

Fair enough Butterer, point taken.

yeah some of the rest of the thread was pretty rank. reminded me why i don't go anywhere near twitter these days

Not being ageist there btw. Just a turn of phrase.

Well now I've seen this. Quote is a bit dubious but he means well. Good old Iggy.

And now I've just looked at the rest of that thread and its really depressing. No wonder men are so messed up these days

But have Elijah Wood and Daniel Radcliffe ever been photographed together? Thats the big question

I tend to avoid Candace Owens, is she always that irritating?

Surely you understand that there is a raft of difference between a transgender person and someone who chooses to wear a dress either as a compulsion or simply a fashion statement

I don't actually @Nowayhozay but I'm so pleased someone who can explain what being trans means and am all ears

what does it mean to 'feel like a woman'? what are the defining characteristics of feeling like one?

I think the real risk is that any man who shows an inclination to wear clothing conventionally gendered as female will be gathered under the Stonewall wing and slapped with a sticky label whether he wants to be or not!

It got boring from the mid 90s onwards Scout.

Stricter 'gender lines' as the years have gone on.

More 'talent factory' output. Less style and hedonism.

we had a spaniel who would catch sight of herself in the mirror- look intently at her reflection, as though trying to work it out, then with a little shake of her head, gambol off because it was just too complicated....

I absolutely know what she was experiencing when I try to unravel all this trans/gender identity stuff

His 'Watermelon Sugar' video was him very much a bloke cavorting with lots of beautiful women

Wearing lovely pink nail varnish while he tucked into his not at all suggestive lady shaped slice of watermelon. I think Harry is doing what is technically known as queering it up (don't @ me). In other words, exactly what half my pop idols were doing in the eighties without anywhere near as much fuss.

What about the original Man Who Sold The World cover, that got replaced with macho crap because if I remember rightly, American audiences couldn't stomach the dress.

Oooh, thanks Purple. I could quiz you all night but I won't! I'm not a fan of ruffles on anyone. A man who can rock a cardie though...
Thinking about it, it's remarkable how boring and straight laced today's batch of musicians are. And actors actually. Where did all fun ones or the hedonists go?

Yes, and then there's drag queens, when the definition of drag is a man (usually) dressing up and pretending to be female on stage, but we still have to refer to them as 'she' (cf Celebrity Masterchef, Portrait Artist of the Year, etc) even though they're not trans - or are they? Confused, you will be

I agree, Harry Styles challenging gender stereotypes is all good (and reminds me of the the cover of Hunky Dory).

I think he’s rather a poppet. And he makes a wonderful poster boy for GC feminism because he’s a man who likes to play with fashion, fully aware it makes him no less of a man.

(And of all the pop stars for my teen to idolise, he’s a pretty nice one)

But yes to the hypocrisy - Elijah Wood won’t be hounded as a transphobe.

Scout

Filthy, as in 'needs a wash'.

From some others we got talking to "Filthy" as in 'nudge, nudge, wink, wink'.

Ahhh. The long gone days of miss spent youth.

When blokes wore guyliner n ruffles, and were still Manly, Manly.