what feminism fights are still relevant to you?

I'd like to see an increase the value of traditionally female roles. (Cleaning, care and catering to name a few) industries dominated by women are paid less than those dominated by men of a similar skill.

I'm also keen of recognising the value of all the unpaid care work primarily done by women. Carees allowance is the lowest benefit of them all. Minmium of 35 hours a weeks care work for about £67

Agree that there's no reason not to put your efforts and resources where your interests lie/ where you feel there are most problems.

I hope the charity links I've posted are useful- the first two are for men. St mungos is for both but as most rough sleepers are men will be assisting them more.

Are there any other areas you feel particular concern about? Loads of posters on here have experience in/ knowledge of a load of services etc that support men and women/ focus on men.

Movember is on at the moment for example are any of your sons old enough to get involved in that?! It's popular at my work so if they want to experiment with a lockdown tache it feels like an ideal opportunity! (Of course they may be young in which case that won't work lol).

I think the role of caring needs to be changed in order for women to to gain true equality. Mothers spend more time out of the work environment than fathers. This has a direct impact on how much they earn and how likely they are to be promoted. You can, of course, shout about preferences etc but surely if fathers taking time out of work to care for their children becomes normalised (i.e. incentivised through generous parental leave policies) it will mean that a. Mothers will not be disadvantaged at work b. Children will have more male input in their lives, and c. Fathers will get to know their children better. Why should men be able to have children and it have no impact on their earning ability while women almost have to choose and frequently sacrifice?

I’m from Northern Ireland.

Mumsnet actually have a campaign about lack of legal abortion despite the recent law change.

Northern Ireland is part of the uk, so we ARE this country.

Not sure the @garden4569 actually is interested in any of these points

Feels all a bit 'but what about the poor men'

Sure isn't it great if you think it's all prefect for women - move on please

And then argue about how they're wrong? Never.

Slight derail perhaps, but how many of the feminsits on this board ever go to boards associated with other groups and ask them to justify why they see a need for the group?

You are entitled to your own opinion

Personally I disagree, I do think that women are treated differently and less favourably than men in the UK. Surely the continued existence of the gender pay gap proves that?

I think we worked out the other night that only around 1 in 20 men are likely to be rapists however, if you wish to reassure your friend

Nobody is stopping you from focusing your energy on male causes.

Yes that’s because men are murdered by other men

Yes that's true.

Round here the number of rough sleepers more or less vanished for a decade or so. Change of government and they were back very fast. It was usually men though.

We have women sleeping rough round here now in numbers to rival the men and that's a new thing tbh.

If you're worried, not sure where you live OP. At mungos is a charity that supports people who are in this position. It's a complex area.

www.mungos.org/

Might be of interest. Says South and South West so not just London.

Women's homelessness tends to be hidden. FYI, OP.

Which country are you taking about op, as you can see we have a fair few USA posters now.

I'm in UK if that helps.

Are you seriously suggesting that equality has been achieved because every now and then men are sexually abused by women and sometimes men go into sex work? Are you on glue?

I believe 98% of all sex offenders are male. Do you think 98% of their victims are male?

www.mankind.org.uk/

I know less about this charity but they might be worth a look op mkcharity.org/about-us/

Women are included in medical trails but women's issue are broader than that

One interesting finding for example is that after major surgery, men would be much more likely to be given strong painkillers if they complained of pain. Why do you think that might be?

Despite legislation, a recent work reorganisation was halted after it was discovered that your probability of getting senior roles was dependent on your sex

A woman was refused investment funding because she was pregnant

The rules are in place but society has not changed. Indeed it is possible that because the laws are in place, many people think the problem is sorted and so they give themselves license to ignore the ongoing issues & their own unconscious bias

Oops missed this bit

'i think as a mum to 3 boys, that boys have a tough time too and that i wish, we were all humanists, rather than feminists (if you see what i mean)
what battles do you feel still need fighting in this country in the name of feminism?'

On the first bit. Totally agree that male victims eg the recent news about sports coaches, and previously children's homes, religious orgs have their own issues in raising awareness. There are orgs out there for male assault, DV etc. I'm sure we can find some names if you want to offer support.

On the second bit I don't understand why you're saying you don't need to be educated. I'm sure you don't but you asked for lists, is it something else you were after?

I am glad that you perceive things as being not that bad, that means that what we did and continue to do is working.

But the work is not over, for all the reasons that are listed above.

I also have sons, I fear for them in a different way than I fear for my female family members. While my sons may struggle to get well paying job or secure housing, they dont fear being raped on a night out or discriminated against (as much) in the workplace. I agree that humanism is the aim and I will fight for anyone who needs it - but my female experience tells me that women still need that attention and now more than ever.

I second the invisible women book, it lays out in plain sight how ignored women are and how much we still need to fight for.

Abortion is legal but we can’t take it for granted. There’s now a permanent protest outside many places that offer it.

In fact we can’t take a lot of the rights that were won for women in the past for granted. Women still don’t get equal pay and opportunities at work. Women still did the vast majority of housework and childcare through the lockdown.

This is why traditional feminism is still very current (and I’m not that old) and it’s a shame that “other issues” are getting in the way of protecting women’s rights.

@garden4569 you have been given several items above that are clearly not great for women and girls and you come across as dismissing them all? Not really getting the point of this thread if you are going to discount each point?

What is it you are hoping to get from this thread?

You can't just say 'just in this country' that's too narrow a view in my opinion when discussing women's rights.

Northern Ireland is in the UK my understanding is that it's still tricky to actually get a termination. Do you have info op because that's one thing I can stop worrying about if it's all good! I admit it's been a while since I read anything on it.

Do you work full-time OP? Happy to be doing it for free for the rest of 2020? After Nov 20th this year (if you're UK based) women are effectively paid zero in comparison to men.

www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/news/the-fawcett-society-announces-date-of-equal-pay-day-2020

You're right that things have improved in this country - hooray - but they could be an awful lot more equal, and if we're not careful we can lose a lot of what we've gained very easily (eg abortion rights).

Welcome to the feminist boards - hope you find what you need.