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Suzanne Moore left the Guardian

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DialSquare · 16/11/2020 16:59

I've just seen this on Twitter. That'll be even more lost readers then. Not that I'm one of their readers.

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AnotherLass · 16/11/2020 23:08

I haven't seen any confirmation of their not renewing Owen Jones's contract. I think it was just rumour & speculation on the basis that he was crowdfunding to make his own media, but he could be doing both.

HecatesCats · 16/11/2020 23:02

I'm really enjoying newsletters atm Glosswitch's, Helen Lewis's Blue Stocking, Oliver Burkeman's Imperfectionist. I like Stephen Bush's Morning Call from the New Statesman (his take on the latest news plus links elsewhere) and Prospect Magazine.

GCAcademic · 16/11/2020 22:41

@Scout2016

I read on one of Glinner's mailouts that the Guardian didn't renew Little Owen's contract. Are they getting rid of both sides to start again?
Interesting. I just noticed that Squealer now has a patreon. Is he setting up some sort of woke Pravda or something?
Melroses · 16/11/2020 22:38

@ArabellaScott

Every so often I forget what Frankie Boyle said and have to go and check.

It is always worse than I'd remembered. Abhorrent things.

I'm a bit speechless at the obituary for the Ripper. Who was it that fundraised for a museum of women's rights that turned out to be a Ripper museum?

We are through the looking glass.

It was something to do with the Diva/awards owner - a relative?
ArabellaScott · 16/11/2020 22:34

Guardian alternatives - I still browse the site sometimes, but don't buy it. I just try to look at lots of different sources. Reuters, Times, Spectator, Herald, some of the online sites like Counter Punch, BBC, Mail, Telegraph, The Sun, small local papers. And take all of it with a large pinch of salt. The media is in a difficult place right now. I am less and less inclined to read some of the 'columnists' that now pass for journalists - so much of it is just loud opinion. A few writers are worth reading, but one can find any amount of opinions on social media - what I really want and miss is quality reporting.

ArabellaScott · 16/11/2020 22:23

Every so often I forget what Frankie Boyle said and have to go and check.

It is always worse than I'd remembered. Abhorrent things.

I'm a bit speechless at the obituary for the Ripper. Who was it that fundraised for a museum of women's rights that turned out to be a Ripper museum?

We are through the looking glass.

RealityNotEssentialism · 16/11/2020 22:14

[quote HecatesCats]Janice Turner giving The Guardian & a certain male columnist a going over for hounding out Suzanne and hosting Frankie Boyle:

twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1328453601728061440[/quote]
Yes the Frankie Boyle stuff makes me sick. On what planet is it the ‘right side of history’ to joke about rape and disabled children? It makes so angry the way the woke crowd just turn a blind eye to this malicious and disgusting stuff that was completely outrageous when Boyle was performing it (so no excuse that times have moved on) and when he was a fully grown adult. Yet if any woman has so much as liked a GC tweet in her life, she is hounded to death for it and never forgiven.

ScrapThatThen · 16/11/2020 21:49

If she is leaving then I am leaving. I have deleted the app and hidden the guardian on my Google feed. Might resubscribe to the times.

HecatesCats · 16/11/2020 21:48

Janice Turner giving The Guardian & a certain male columnist a going over for hounding out Suzanne and hosting Frankie Boyle:

twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1328453601728061440

Helmetbymidnight · 16/11/2020 21:45

gary linekar tweeted 'sorry to hear that.'

cue the wailing mostly from fellas, 'no, gary, no.' 'are you a terf, gary'

urgh.

lekkerkroketje · 16/11/2020 21:45

The Economist is GC and very good for analysis, but they do tend to treat anyone outside the London/Brussels/Washington metropolitan elite as a foreign species to be observed with curiosity. Their monthly lifestyle magazine is lousy though.

RuffleCrow · 16/11/2020 21:38

I think she, Hadley and anyone else who's not shit at the guardian should start their own paper. Blah blah blah death of print media blah blah blah...I think it's been exaggerated quite frankly. If toilet paper like the graun can keep going despitr being largely garbage then there must be market for something that makes sense and is readable.

SmallPug · 16/11/2020 21:36

@Mashingthecompost and @Woods52 - Unherd, The critic, Spiked (online). The Times, the economist and the spectator (online spectator has more diverse stuff than the actual magazine). People question spiked but they publish a range of authors with different views.

Redshoeblueshoe · 16/11/2020 21:34

Scout thanks that's where I read it.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 16/11/2020 21:32

This is now trending on Twitter. Julie Bindell has commented on it, amongst others.

twitter.com/bindelj/status/1328384563773575168

Scout2016 · 16/11/2020 21:31

I read on one of Glinner's mailouts that the Guardian didn't renew Little Owen's contract. Are they getting rid of both sides to start again?

Redshoeblueshoe · 16/11/2020 21:28

Did I imagine it - I thought that they were getting rid of LOJ as well ?

Resisterance · 16/11/2020 21:10

She says it was her choice to go

twitter.com/suzanne_moore/status/1328413022356983809?s=19

Wonder what she'll do next. She helped make me a feminist as a young un in the 90s. I salute her!

Melroses · 16/11/2020 20:46

Well that's The Guardian finally written off (haven't actually read The Guardian for a long time, even as a freebee from Waitrose, it got that bad).

I only discovered Suzanne Moore recently from here - she is spectacular. Like a proper firework - she goes Bang, you think WTF, and when you read her piece, it is so beautifully put together and rains sparks.

She can put out a small tweet and hits the nail straight on the head.

I look forward to buying whatever publishes her work.

SunsetBeetch · 16/11/2020 20:45

Sad news for a once- great newspaper. I wish Suzanne the best of luck for the future; she's an excellent writer.

LumpySpacedPrincess · 16/11/2020 20:43

It was the only paper I bought, what the fuck happened.

Perfect example of how the left only ever paid lip service to feminism. Never walked the walk.

They'll be a reckonin' some day.

BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero · 16/11/2020 20:41

WRITE A BOOK AND EXPOSE THEM ALL. Suzanne!

SophocIestheFox · 16/11/2020 20:36

That’s so sad. I’m amazed she stuck it out for as long as she did after That Letter.

Imagine working somewhere that purports to represent the fourth estate- supposedly to uphold the voice of the people in critiquing and holding the establishment to account- and being a signatory to that letter. What do they imagine a newspaper is for? Hugs and pats on the head for toeing the line like a good girl? I can’t even begin to articulate what I think of a management that allowed the supporters of that letter free rein, in effect enabling and encouraging bullying of a staff member because of her views. It pains me to imagine being Suzanne, and having to go into work knowing not just that your colleagues have called for you to be sacked for your own personal views, but that the management don’t apparently want to do anything much about this.

I hope she takes them to a tribunal.

I read the Graun for twenty plus years and the last ten have been like a crap relationship, I just keep hoping they’ll change. They’ve only got Hadley and Marina that are any good now, even John Crace seems to have lost his edge.

wellbehavedwomen · 16/11/2020 20:28

@Quillink

Suzanne's tweet previous to announcing her departure called the obituary disgusting. Good for her.
Yep. So much for #SayHerName. Their lives are disposable. His gets an obituary.
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