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"Transgender man, 34, loses legal battle to be named as the father on his child's birth certificate as Supreme Court refuses to hear his case"

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Malahaha · 16/11/2020 14:24

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8953783/Transgender-man-34-loses-legal-battle-named-father-childs-birth-certificate.html

Don't know if this was already posted but it's a glimmer of hope that soe judges have their heads screwed on tightly.

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ZingDramaQueenOfSheeba · 02/07/2021 07:28

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Ekofisk · 02/07/2021 06:15

There are those who disagree with the ECHR and would like the UK to pull out. Usually these individuals would like to see it replaced with a UK-specific version. However, currently, the UK is still very much a signatory.

Tricky to pull out though, as continued membership of the ECHR is a requirement of the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement (Brexit deal), particularly on the security arrangements section.

Ekofisk · 02/07/2021 06:09

@Clymene

I see Freddie hasn't missed an opportunity to go on the beg Hmm
Oh yes, with their newly minted “Equality for Trans Families Ltd” to fund an appeal to the ECHR.
EdgeOfACoin · 02/07/2021 05:46

@DaisiesandButtercups

Does the European Court of Human Rights have power in the UK now that the UK has left the EU?
Yes it does.

The European Convention on Human Rights and its European Court of Human Rights is a completely different legal system from the EU. It was set up by the Council of Europe in the aftermath of the Second World War.

The 1998 Human Rights Act gives effect to the ECHR in the UK, meaning that people in the UK can have their cases heard here rather than having to travel to Strasbourg.

There are those who disagree with the ECHR and would like the UK to pull out. Usually these individuals would like to see it replaced with a UK-specific version. However, currently, the UK is still very much a signatory.

Many countries that are not part of the EU have also signed up to the Convention, including Russia, Turkey and Ukraine.

Clymene · 02/07/2021 05:16

@DaisiesandButtercups

Does the European Court of Human Rights have power in the UK now that the UK has left the EU?
Nope
DaisiesandButtercups · 02/07/2021 05:12

Does the European Court of Human Rights have power in the UK now that the UK has left the EU?

Clymene · 02/07/2021 04:50

I see Freddie hasn't missed an opportunity to go on the beg Hmm

AnyOldPrion · 02/07/2021 04:47

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PrincessNutella · 02/07/2021 02:02

Common sense!

NotBadConsidering · 02/07/2021 00:13

Boys with X-linked conditions inherit them from their carrier mothers, who pass on an X chromosome to their sons, not a Y chromosome, because that comes from the father.

Freddy’s argument would be that a condition like haemophilia can be inherited from either a mother or a father and that we should just forget scientific accuracy for the sake of being more socially up to date.

No.

EyesOpening · 01/07/2021 23:02

It's probably been discussed before but aren't there different medical conditions that can be inherited solely from one sex so if you can no longer rely on knowing which sex your father/mother grandfathers/grandmothers are, couldn't this potentially cause problems?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 01/07/2021 19:04

The Latin word would be progenitrix, I think.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 01/07/2021 18:45

Progenitress?

I demand to be seen as a proginitress. Cos, gawd knows that after reading that list I want everyone to give me a gin.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 01/07/2021 18:22

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 01/07/2021 18:14

We really need an eyerolling emoticon. I find Freddy very tiresome.

OhHolyJesus · 01/07/2021 18:08

Do we really have that many definitions of mother?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CQyW092j6nc/?utmmedium=copyy_link

Delphinium20 · 11/02/2021 17:22

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BraveBananaBadge · 11/02/2021 15:33

'Maternity' in inverted commas now. Really doesn't care who he offends as long as he gets his own way, does he?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 11/02/2021 15:32

I don't have a problem with people like Freddy having children. Accidents happen, people want to have babies, it's all biological urges.

However, I don't understand how someone can say "I am a man" and simultaneously be planning a pregnancy. It's the opposite of what being a man is.

So, I do think that maternity services should accommodate pronouns and preferred language for the few people who are both trans/NB/pregnant.

But, Freddy can fuck off. Life doesn't give you cake and let you eat it. I'm kind of embarrassed that Freddy hadn't realised that.

OhHolyJesus · 11/02/2021 15:24

Audio in link with Freddy saying how unwelcome Freddy was made to feel in hospital when pregnant.

twitter.com/freddymcconnell/status/1359565661815660547?s=21

Impatiens · 11/02/2021 15:04

It's bad enough that ppl are allowed to falsify their own birth certificates, never mind someone else's.

AmericanSlang · 11/02/2021 14:50

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Toomanyradishes · 11/02/2021 12:23

Sorry i am an idiot ignore my last post i got male female etc all mixed around as its all so flipping complicated now.

Freddie has stated they stopped hormone treatment before concieving. I assume freddie was on testosterone prior to that, which as below may impact a foetus

intra-uterine environment may be a key factor in the pathogenesis of PCOS, in particular, hyperexposure of the foetus to androgens. High concentrations of maternal serum testosterone during pregnancy have been shown to influence behaviour during childhood, the prevalence of autism disorders and anti-Mullerian hormone (AMH) concentrations in adolescence. They are also thought to re-programme the female reproductive axis to induce the features of PCOS in later life: oligo/anovulation, polycystic ovaries, hyperandrogenism and insulin resistance (IR). Support for this developmental theory for the aetiology of PCOS is gathering momentum, following results from first animal studies and now human data, which lend credence to many aspects of this hypothesis.

Toomanyradishes · 11/02/2021 12:17

Freddy was not on hormone treatment at the time of conception and I would imagine was guided by the fertility clinic/doctors on this in the same was women with pcos who take the same drugs are guided, and have to make the same decision

Clymene · 11/02/2021 05:01

Freddie is entitled to refer to Freddieself however they want. They just can't put a lie on their child's birth certificate