"Transgender man, 34, loses legal battle to be named as the father on his child's birth certificate as Supreme Court refuses to hear his case"

@merrymouse nothing whatsoever. I suggested that people could have to option to put birthing parent if they preferred.

I think there are two groups of people who may prefer such terms.

Some of the people involved in surrogacy, for example, reject the terms “mother”, “birth mother” and even “surrogate mother” to describe the person who carries and gives birth to a child. Preferred terms I’ve seen include “the surrogate”, “the carrier”, “the gestational carrier” and in some contexts, “the uterus”.

I thought that trans men wanted to be called fathers. The problem with that is that the terms mother and father aren’t always synonymous in UK law, so there would be legal inconsistencies and points of conflict.

As I understand it, the GRA doesn’t enable trans men to be regarded as men for all purposes - there are exceptions.

A comment for the crowdfunder which I think says a lot. Donations currently almost halfway and I noticed an anon donation of 1k.

"I’m not sure I would have ever started HRT if not for seeing Freddy’s documentary by chance at a film festival. I don’t know if I want biological children, but the thought of voluntarily giving that up (as many medical professionals tell you will happen when starting T) felt too weighty. Thank you Freddy for giving me information about my options and I wish you the best in accessing the options that are right for you and this baby."

I thought the whole point of the language mangling was that transmen wanted to be called birthing bodies with vaginas?

Aren't we meant to understand that transmen are at the root of the entire issue?

Is that suddenly not the case?

As long as the “birth parent” had automatic parental responsibility for the child, I think that might work. The term “birth parent” is also used for the biological mothers and fathers of adopted children, though, so that could get confusing.

Also, what would you call the genetic father? “Sperm-providing parent”?

Or...we could just call women 'ovens'.

Giving people the option of "birth parent" as well as mother would be a good solution.

Children would know who gave birth to them, which was the main point of the objection, and trans men would not have to referred to as a mother.

•	2 new <a class="break-all" href="https://www.gov.uk/photos-for-passports" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">photos of your child</a>d_
•	the child’s full birth or adoption certificate (the one with parent’s details on it)
•	proof that your child has British nationality (for example a British registration certificate, parent’s passport details or parent’s birth certificates)
•	any valid passports from a different country belonging to the child
•	any court orders (for example, that describe parental responsibility or residency arrangements)

Accurate, truthful, easy to understand, info. It's important.

Either way, in order for this child/children he/they will need to understand that they can access the donor register for details aged 18 so they would need to know they have a father, one that isn't the mother, IYSWIM.

Isn't it maybe like "you don't believe trans people should exist!" Ie the child does have a birth certificate but Freddy and family consider its false because TMAM and therefore he "doesn't have one"?

Who is thedad of these kids? does anyone know, not that its really relevent. But, you know, it still takes two peopel to make a baby. Does not the father have any say in all this?

If a crowdfunder has been set up containing incorrect information, I think the sensible and ethical thing to do would be to delete it and create a replacement. The replacement should contain an explanation/correction.

It is good that we need documentation to take children to different countries. It helps prevent child trafficking.

There must be a birth registration of sorts, because, at the very least, the hospital/midwife will have reported it on to the Registrar.

Presumably the process should have been gone through to a sufficient extent to bring the court cases.

The crowdfunder is being misleading.

It is just not to Freddy's liking.

“Opens them up to abuse???” So they’re already making an unborn child into a “victim of hate”???

Good God. The victim mentality. Oh poor meeeeeeeeee

SJ's new baby sibling will soon face the same situation as SJ: no birth certificate, or one that opens them up to discrimination and abuse later in life, because it inaccurately lists Freddy as their 'mother'

This is what's on the crowd funder. ^

It says no certificate, 'or' one that...

And now we find out that they were all in Spain, which they couldn't do without a birth certificate.

All very misleading.

There seems to be a complete lack of awareness of the situations where a full birth certificate would need to be produced.

They aren’t situations when anyone would know or care about your parent’s gender identity.

Plenty of people have a parent who they barely know on their birth certificate.

And asking people to FUND their delusions 😆😆😆

Wow. The self importance of these people, wanting to change the law to reflect their delusions.