"Transgender man, 34, loses legal battle to be named as the father on his child's birth certificate as Supreme Court refuses to hear his case"

I wonder what would’ve happened, had Freddy co parented with Freddy’s transman friend (some time love interest? I forget the specifics but the friend was in the early part of the documentary).

Would they have wanted Father and Father? Or Father and Parent 2 (as lesbians can have mother and parent 2)?

Makes no odds either way, I suppose, seeing as the actual categories are ‘mother = who the baby came out of’ and ‘father/parent 2 = other person with legal responsibility for the child’ rather than egg giver/sperm donator/unmarried biological father who couldn’t be arsed to register.

Presumably we’d start to see big corporations try to wriggle out of discrimination on the grounds of maternity claims, now that ‘men‘ can birth babies too.

I raised this on another thread where someone suggested a (pregnancy-related) issue could be sex discrimination and got told to shut up by several people as it was derailing.

'Pregnancy & maternity' is a protected characteristic too, though, so that's something. (Which is what I suggested in the other thread, I wasn't just plopping that in for the sake of it)

Had a quick look at that Mirror article which has the wording "At the age of 20, Kayden realised he wanted to be a man" - bit offensive to claim it's a choice, I thought?

[quote OhHolyJesus]Already happened Betty, with breastfeeding...

campbelllawobserver.com/men-can-lactate-too-breastfeeding-mom-loses-discrimination-case/[/quote]
Absolutely fucking horrifying.

Already happened Betty, with breastfeeding...

campbelllawobserver.com/men-can-lactate-too-breastfeeding-mom-loses-discrimination-case/

I heard of this trans man needing to amend already changed medical info when pregnant in order to obtain maternity services on insurance

(The boyfriend, Dominique, looks like a similar build to Freddy, to me.)

www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/transgender-man-pregnant-second-child-22227559

I imagine the maternity leave argument to about 'parental' leave and it would be an interesting one as since the split parental leave was introduced there hasn't been a massive take up, men continue to go back to work after the statutory two weeks and women continue, in the most part, to be off work for 9-12 months.

If 'legal men' were to take 'maternity' leave then it would probably increase or statutory maternity payments would go up.

If Freddy won and opened the gates for others to do it too, would they then only be entitled to paternity (as opposed the better maternal) leave etc, I wonder

Yeah it seems that it’s easier to pass for male if you’re originally female than the other way around, which makes sense as testosterone produces irreversible effects on the body.
Obviously you’re not going to know whether someone who looks male actually has female genitalia so I think many women would be uncomfortable with someone who looks male, with facial hair and deep voice, even if that person is actually female. Same as they would feel uncomfortable in the presence of someone claiming to be female who is obviously male by appearance. That’s why there needs to be diversity in provision of services and nobody should be without support if they are assaulted.

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2020/559.html

Here is the court report from the last failed appeal.

Re surgery - a lot of transwomen refer to having surgery when they are referring to things like implants, adam's apple shaving or facial feminisation surgery rather than genital surgery

Yes Dido, the power of testosterone. Amazing the changes it wreaks.

That’s a good point, @PearPickingPorky. People think ‘surgery’, they think of one defining thing in this case - think of how most people are usually surprised at the amount of trans women who don’t have surgery. It’s misleading.

Stonewall seem to be urging the government not to shelve their review of the GRA here: ‘The current legislation contradicts the fragile equality trans people currently have, where they can have full recognition on some legal documents, but not on others.

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/nov/16/trans-man-loses-uk-legal-battle-to-register-as-his-childs-father

From The Times article linked:

Mr McConnell is a single parent who was born a woman but now lives as a man after surgery. He was biologically able to get pregnant and give birth but was legally a man when the child was born.*

"after surgery".

I wish they'd stop saying this. Freddy didn't have surgery on any female-specific reproductive organs. Hence Freddy was able to get pregnant and give birth naturally in a birthing pool.

Removal of breast tissue doesn't make a woman "live as a man". There are many women who have sadly had this procedure, they remain women. Freddy also doesn't "live as a man" as Freddy intentionally got pregnant and gave birth. That's not "living as a man". Freddy is again trying to get pregnant and give birth, so is still not "living as a man".

I agree JohnWayne, totally.

What a messy situation and very sinister. I feel sorry for Freddie and the child. I can't help but feeling they are being used as pawns by bad faith operators. Ultimately if this is allowed to go ahead it will affect all children and their mothers, but I can't even begin to imagine the damage this is causing them.

Interesting in those screen shots how Freddy says the Government lied about the GRA.

The GRA legalises a lie.

On what tangled webs we weave when first we practice to decieve.

None of this makes sense.

I think this just about sums it all up.

That much is clear, Toots. One of the (many) things that does not compute about all this is Freddie’s belief this is a violation of his human rights to protect the privacy of family life. He’s an activist. He’s made a documentary about his family. None of this makes sense.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/70b914b2-281d-11eb-b054-8dc1447a1be1?shareToken=1f73d08ca467ddb8d0ebe858ad3a7107

I'm so glad Freddy lost. Freddy clearly has a lot of issues that perhaps would better be addressed out of the public eye.