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Purity signalling - musical authors withdraw from Graham Norton's show to promote their musical, because JK Rowling was also being interviewed about her new children's book

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StandWitch · 14/11/2020 20:20

twitter.com/marlowandmoss/status/1327594966814748673

theversion.co/2020/11/03/j-k-rowling-to-discuss-the-ickabog-with-graham-norton-on-radio-2/

J.K. Rowling is to guest on Graham Norton’s Radio 2 show, to talk about her new book The Ickabog, a new fairy tale about a mythical monster, a kingdom in peril and an adventure that will test two children’s bravery.

The author will join Graham on this Saturday morning show from 10am on 14 November, 2020.

Also on the programme...

Lastly, Graham talks to the writers of SIX The Musical, Toby Marlow and Lucy Moss, which is scheduled to reopen in the West End with a series of socially distanced performances at The Lyric Theatre soon.

what is wrong with these people?

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SophocIestheFox · 21/11/2020 08:17

@PotholeParadies

That explains a lot. Katherine Howard's song is straight out of Fraser's investigation into her childhood. Katherine Howard is such a sad figure. Sad
She really is Sad
MsTSwift · 21/11/2020 08:15

Disappointing. To be fair we loved Six (early teen girls)

PotholeParadies · 21/11/2020 07:54

That explains a lot. Katherine Howard's song is straight out of Fraser's investigation into her childhood. Katherine Howard is such a sad figure. Sad

cathyandclare · 21/11/2020 06:29

Marlow and Moss have said they did use that as a reference. Great book!

PotholeParadies · 20/11/2020 23:00

Actually, I think I got mixed up.

I meant The Six Wives of Henry VIII by Antonia Fraser!

www.amazon.co.uk/Six-Wives-Henry-Viii/dp/0749314095?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

DrDavidBanner · 16/11/2020 16:11

That looks like a really interesting book Potholes, another for the list! 😀

PotholeParadies · 16/11/2020 14:44

LetsSplashMummy

I think you would really enjoy the Six Wives of Henry VIII by Alison Weir. I've been listening to the Six songs via youtube this morning and I wouldn't be surprised if they'd also used it as a resource.

It really is very good.

www.amazon.co.uk/Six-Wives-Henry-VIII/dp/0099523620?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/11/2020 14:11

And of course martina Navratilova who went and educated herself as instructed and came back 10 times terfier

YY, exactly

RoyalCorgi · 16/11/2020 14:10

And of course Rosie Duffield.

What's going on here is really obvious, though. TRAs and their supporters know that they don't have a leg to stand on, either morally or rationally. Their argument (which seems to amount to "trans women are women, trans men are men, non binary identities are valid") falls apart under scrutiny. The only way they can win is by making sure that their view is never subjected to scrutiny, and that anyone who might argue against it is too frightened to speak out.

CodenameVillanelle · 16/11/2020 14:00

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I bet she's just learned to keep her mouth shut. No one really views being wokescolded as "growing and learning". I can reel off a list of people who later "disappointed" trans activists when they made further unpalatable comments when the TRAs thought they had learned their lesson. JKR and Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie being two.
And of course martina Navratilova who went and educated herself as instructed and came back 10 times terfier
DialSquare · 16/11/2020 13:48

I agree Eresh. I think she did what she thought she had to do to be able to continue working. Like many others unfortunately.

DrDavidBanner · 16/11/2020 13:43

I'm just listening to GN now and I thought JKR came across really well and Lady Glenconner sounds great fun, I think I'll put her book ob my Christmas list!
Its a shame the creators of Six chose to not go on there it would have been a good platform for them. I enjoyed the stage show but its a shame they've taken this stance which as others have said goes completely at odds with the message of Six.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/11/2020 13:42

I bet she's just learned to keep her mouth shut. No one really views being wokescolded as "growing and learning". I can reel off a list of people who later "disappointed" trans activists when they made further unpalatable comments when the TRAs thought they had learned their lesson. JKR and Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie being two.

DialSquare · 16/11/2020 13:33

I just looked back at her tweets around the same time and she put out a statement apologising and saying she was growing and learning. Which is why I suspect she's still in a job.

JaneAustenFanClub · 16/11/2020 13:20

I am horrified about this Twitter mob culture punishing people by trying to get them sacked or re-educating them for “wrongthink”. Why can’t we as a society try to have careful and nuanced conversations about difficult matters?

Collidascope · 16/11/2020 13:12

I think she's still technically in role.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/11/2020 13:09

I've heard Moss interviewed and she came out with some completely inane gender bollocks, and one of the lead actors a couple of years ago said she identified as non binary (no idea of pronouns but very clearly female) and I think posted some "fuck off terfs" type tweet. So I've never been particularly warm to them.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/11/2020 13:06

Wow. Did she continue in the role?

JuliaJohnston · 16/11/2020 13:06

Poor little halfwits, they needed the exposure far more than she did 🤣
Bless...

Collidascope · 16/11/2020 13:05

I've not read the whole thread so this might have been mentioned, but I remembered one of the actors in Six posting a gender critical tweet a while back. Obviously this was smugly reported to TM on Twitter
mobile.twitter.com/TheTobyMarlow/status/1279701891358904320

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/11/2020 13:05

I didn't say they were, or should be, I mean. They're entitled to their take, as is anyone else.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/11/2020 13:04

I didn't say it was. All I said was that it's not my thing.

Comefromaway · 16/11/2020 12:42

Well seeing as the whole premise is imagine the six wives of Henry VIII came together to form a girl band I don't think the authors were going for historical accuracy.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/11/2020 12:37

I'm a hypocrite though, as I enjoyed the Tudors Grin

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/11/2020 12:36

I think you have to recognise that SIX is seeing a story nearly 500 years ago through a modern, intersectional feminist, genderist lens. And that's fine and can provide good messages for girls and an appreciation of history, but there's an element of historical revisionism and that's not really my cup of tea. Yes I am commenting on it without seeing it, as I don't really have any desire to.

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