Do you think men should be allowed to wear skirts?

Not rtft so sorry if this has already been pointed out. The women in France wearing trousers thing was a Paris only, 200 year old law and it was completely unenforced. It was just one of those old daft laws that hadn't been repealed.

I spent a summer in France, partially in Paris in 2005. Wore trousers plenty

OP not come back? Huh.

It's really hard to maintain a socially appropriate level of revulsion for the degradation of women when you're going home and wanking over it every night.

Very well said

I have not read this but to say in the Pacific islands men am have always worn skirts.. anyhow I have probably missed the point entirely but there you go!

There is no law against it now. Most men are incredibly boring in their clothing choices and afraid of what other men think of them.

Klaus Hargreaves works a leather skirt pretty damn hard

Oh my god i love klaus...its the eyeliner

And robert sheehan

Exactly. Slut shaming women for clothing choices isn't feminist. As is judging sex workers.

@TyroTerf

Alas, we would rapidly end up with different styles of ballgown to signal one's sex. And those men who preferred the style worn by women on the pull or the game would be viewed with suspicion by some.

Such is masculinity. It's quite depressing, really.

And as for it being viewed with suspicion by some- presumably you mean by you and people like you?

Kilts started off as a male garment and were appropriated as suitable for girls and women

High heels as well. Originally cavalry, then became fashionable for the class of men who weren't fighting on horses but didn't have to worry about impractical footwear, then crossed over as fashionable for women, then dropped by men as too feminine.

artsandculture.google.com/story/the-high-life-a-history-of-men-in-heels/iQJCgMgwSKV5Kw

I stopped wearing heels after an extended holiday in 2014. I came home, looked at them and thought "I'm not putting my feet in those things again". Figured if I can't project authority at work without a pair of mini-stilts making me taller I've got no business doing my job.

Alas, we would rapidly end up with different styles of ballgown to signal one's sex. And those men who preferred the style worn by women on the pull or the game would be viewed with suspicion by some.

Such is masculinity. It's quite depressing, really.

I'm all for men wearing generic skirts in normal, everyday contexts, because this is how the skirt loses its "female" connotation; that's how we get to the world where everyone can choose a skirt or trousers as they please

Quaggers commented
However, I thin the reality is that a majority of people like to have some level of differentiation of fashion for men and women. Maybe they don't really care what that entails, at least in a principled sort of way, but they like there to be a difference

I agree with her comment. I don't think I do want that differentiation to go. I think Quaggers is probably right that a majority of people don't.

Oh and btw the many posts on here referring to kilts are missing the point entirely and have got it the wrong way round. Kilts started off as a male garment and were appropriated as suitable for girls and women, for example the girls' uniform in private schools and competitors in Scottish country dancing.

I had this theory once that the world would be a much better place if everyone over the age of 11 was required to wear a ball gown, in all situations. Even doing sport or going to war.

I still think I was on to something.

I am partial to a man in a Kilt I must say.

jennie it matters because orgasm is a powerful conditioning tool.

It's really hard to maintain a socially appropriate level of revulsion for the degradation of women when you're going home and wanking over it every night. Regardless of whether you like to see yourself as fucker or fuckee.

Of course, yes. Should it be considered socially acceptable for them to wear female-coded highly sexualised garments in public, non-sexualised contexts? Debatable.

I'm not really understanding why it's ok for women to wear skirts in public non-sexualised contexts if they're so highly sexualised but not ok for men to do so.

Allowed??

Dido that's because we bundle multiple related questions in that one verb 'can'.

Most people interpret the question as asking whether a skirt ought to be a neutral, non-sexualised garment. We're in hypothetical future preferred utopia when we're answering this question.

The 'but' comes in because people recognise that we've yet to achieve the desexualisation of the skirt in the public consciousness.

I'm all for men wearing generic skirts in normal, everyday contexts, because this is how the skirt loses its "female" connotation; that's how we get to the world where everyone can choose a skirt or trousers as they please.

Highly-sexualised skirts are a different matter.

By the same token, a man who wears granny pants because they're comfy is not the same as a man who wears arse-floss because it gives him a boner and justifies it to himself by saying it's comfy.

One unhappy side effect of spending years supporting the female victims of AGP is that it gives you an AGP-dar.

And an inability to "calm down" in the face of this sort of bollocks is extremely useful in motivating trans widows to support each other, and hopefully to raise the consciousness of other women on this issue.

Klaus Hargreaves works a leather skirt pretty damn hard.

*I'm aware that some men wear them in order to get a sexual kick out of it precisely because they are women's garments.

But if we normalise the wearing of them for any man at any time, those men wouldn't get the same kick out of wearing skirts.

Doubtless they'll move on to nappies or furry costumes or something, but still. We can't construct all our sartorial rules around men's strange perversions.*

I don't understand this. Why would it matter what men (or anyone) get their 'sexual kick' from, as long as it's not illegal?
It's none of anyone's business except their own and (if involving another person) the other persons/people.

Not skirts, heels, BUT... although these are gay men (or at least YM is), I think they are incredibly sexy.

Calling two trans widows with experience of AGP "armchair psychologists" is naive as well as insulting

I have no idea which posters you are referring to. I meant the general tendency on here to diagnose AGP. I wasn't referring to a particular post or poster so calm down. There is such a tendency on here to take everything personally.

Would I personally date a man wearing a skirt? No, I wouldn't and that would probably include kilt wearers- although that is for a different reason.

Of course they should.

I'm aware that some men wear them in order to get a sexual kick out of it precisely because they are women's garments.

But if we normalise the wearing of them for any man at any time, those men wouldn't get the same kick out of wearing skirts.

Doubtless they'll move on to nappies or furry costumes or something, but still. We can't construct all our sartorial rules around men's strange perversions.

War what you want. Men can wear skirts - but they are still men.

Clothing should not define a sex.