Tricky: Is TERF a slur? BBC Radio 4

Did i hear t the end there is to be another programme about pronouns??

It's already there: www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08vcyd7

It's called 'Are Pronouns Important?'

Should be called 'Pronouns are Important' because there's no questioning going on.

.. it's a word only ever used, quite intentionally, to rhyme with 'scum'..

I'm a bit slow today, what rhymes with scum?

Me too! V. disappointed.

I too wondered why Bristol rapper Tricky would be interested...

Apparently trans has come as a bit of a shock to older second wave feminists. (yeh, we know nothing about men). We are not really equipped to understand. (ok kids) We are supposed to help everyone, not just women with uteruses. (I wonder who told you that). Old white privileged 2nd wavers are fear mongering about things that are (simultaneously) miniscule and also not happening.

Openly sexist, ageist, racist, classist..... little balls of seething, despising prejudice against others who Aren't Like Them.

But the Vancouver rape crisis woman was excellent. Feminism is for women, it is men who are doing the violence . And yes Escape I was a to hear that we did not see the trans thing and we re supposed to be kind and help everyone while ou4 rights are being removed.
Did i hear t the end there is to be another programme about pronouns??

Apparently trans has come as a bit of a shock to older second wave feminists. (yeh, we know nothing about men). We are not really equipped to understand. (ok kids) We are supposed to help everyone, not just women with uteruses. (I wonder who told you that).

Old white privileged 2nd wavers are fear mongering about things that are (simultaneously) miniscule and also not happening.

Suffragettes were bad feminists because they were all white.....

It was 100 percent Twitter TRA soundbites.

Embarrassed for them.

Activists: It is wrong to impose labels on others and to assume their identity

Also Activists: I'll label you and assume your identity any way I want

All I hear with that word now is 'woman who won't do what I say/supporter of women who won't do what I say', and it's a word only ever used, quite intentionally, to rhyme with 'scum'. It's one of the many 'you do what I say or else but I'll do as I want and you can't stop me' behaviours, and it contains more 'hate' in its average use than anything a woman has ever said about women's rights.

Me too Tinsel!
no time to listen right now. Do they address the fact that most GC feminists don't exclude trans men from feminism (so the term TERF is factually incorrect) and the fact that 'trans' often defaults to mean transwomen is yet another form of misogyny?

This looks like a really interesting series, I'd never heard of it. Some of the other topics sound interesting too. I susiect I might find this one too annoying.

I thought Bristol rapper, Tricky had made a Zuby like intervention when I read the thread title.

Many people might feel a bit silly making that argument to a young black women. Say what you like about the Butlerian Jihadis, they don't lack chutzpah.

That's the most gloriously mixed metaphor I've seen in a long time, donquixote, and I love you for it!

"CIS or non trans women"

My takeaway from one of the participants (can’t remember which one) is that if your feminism isn’t intersectional then you’re a TERF, a ‘white feminists’ (the great slur) and are a privileged older woman.

Many people might feel a bit silly making that argument to a young black women. Say what you like about the Butlerian Jihadis, they don't lack chutzpah.

My takeaway from one of the participants (can’t remember which one) is that if your feminism isn’t intersectional then you’re a TERF, a ‘white feminists’ (the great slur) and are a privileged older woman. Great.

I’m guessing Dominique was the youngest panellist. She gets an awful lot of abuse on Twitter for being a black woman who doesn’t buy into identity politics.