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Statue to honour Wollstonecraft

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MedusasBadHairDay · 10/11/2020 01:08

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/nov/10/mary-wollstonecraft-finally-honoured-with-statue-after-200-years

It's a naked woman..

Currently reading A Vindication of the Rights of Woman for an OU course, and - unless the tone changes dramatically in the second half of it - I'm not seeing how an idealised nude is the right statue to convey anything about her?

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DidoLamenting · 12/11/2020 16:29

It really is hideous. Even if one accepts MH's weak arguments about Everywoman restrictive clothes, it's still awful.

The melting candle stuff just looks as if something went wrong in the smelting.

The proportions of the 2 parts are ridiculous.

The female figure is grumpy and a bit sour- faced.

And, although this is really trivial, it really isn't the body I want. It's too toned and athletic looking for me.

ShagMeRiggins · 12/11/2020 16:19

RoyalCorgi
The tiny size of the statue makes me wonder whether this was some kind of Spinal Tap-style cockup, where she was given the measurements in inches rather than feet.

Someone will just day she was the given the correct unit of measurement but that women can’t do maths*.

Sorry. Feeling a bit bitter about this. What a wasted opportunity honour someone extraordinary with a commemorative statue.

ShagMeRiggins · 12/11/2020 16:08

littlebrowndog this one is great.

My annoyance comes from the poster’s comment “let them be remembered for what they did” and it’s the “let them” that bothers me because the implication is clear: someone needs to give permission for women to be remembered for what they did, who they were, as though we remember them first for being women and then for their accomplishments.

I don’t fault the poster. This language of “let women do this” and “let women do that” is insidious. Deeply ingrained, especially when speaking of any minority group (which we are not, but we are treated as).

I do realise this is my particular bugbear, and thank you for highlighting this piece honouring this person’s achievements.

Statue to honour Wollstonecraft
Butterer · 12/11/2020 16:07

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ThatIsNotMyUsername · 12/11/2020 15:57

Remember when Margaret Thatcher put a napkin over a little BA airplane model with the new livery because she thought it was crap? Same here - no prudishness just taste. And it looks like a young man...

Duckwit · 12/11/2020 15:54

I don't get what point Shon is trying to make. I'm assuming Shon thinks that picture makes British feminism look bad but I don't see how?

I assumed that Shon is criticising the 'covering up' of the statue, because that is 'slut shaming' and 'SWERFY' and the 'adult human female' bit because any feminist who dares to think that men are not women is, of course, awful.

Apparently, at the moment, British feminism is full of TERFS and SWERFS. Whereas what we should be doing is looking to other countries where women legally being sold to men as literal commodities, and men being allowed in female prisons and other safe spaces because that those counties are absolute utopia.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 12/11/2020 15:51

Why is that horse sniggering? Why is Caligula naked? 😳

StrangeLookingParasite · 12/11/2020 15:44

[quote Gingernaut]Now it's a trans rights issue.

Hold on to your blood pressure.

www.dailydot.com/irl/mary-wollstonecraft-terf-statue/?fbclid=IwAR16idP-7e_Pz0d_9a4fpMqegNYALTiZFQJa9jQ2I2R-M7ozitjRwWKf8eQ[/quote]
Oh. An American transwoman knows all/sees all. Of course.

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ThatIsNotMyUsername · 12/11/2020 15:17

Maybe ‘for Mary’ needs some puppy ears and a tail?

thanksgivingchi · 12/11/2020 15:10

I think I do too.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 12/11/2020 15:04

I prefer the dog statue...

SophocIestheFox · 12/11/2020 15:01

Winstits Churchill
The Dick of Wellington

I like this game Grin

FannysSteadiedBuffs · 12/11/2020 14:43

twitter.com/p_zalewski/status/1326808434281418752

Meanwhile Turkmenistan’s president Gurbanguly Berdymukhamedov has just unveiled a giant statue of his favorite dog.

It makes as much sense.

Butterer · 12/11/2020 14:43

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Datun · 12/11/2020 14:38

@HecatesCats

GrinGrinGrin

Alexander Graham Bellend

Hahaha 🤣
HecatesCats · 12/11/2020 14:34

GrinGrinGrin

Alexander Graham Bellend

ArabellaScott · 12/11/2020 14:22

@LioneIRichTea

*a doll-sized statue of Charles Dickens with washboard abs and his todger out.

I like this idea. Lots of nude male figures - Adam Smith in a mankini. David Hume in a cheeky turban and nothing else. Churchill with his famous cigar out.*

Nelson’s column

Grin

Todger Bacon
Charles DICKens
Isaac Newdong

Antibles · 12/11/2020 13:46

@MichelleofzeResistance

What ever I did, whatever I said Whether I'm living or whether I'm dead Here is all Mankind will care to remember The style and the shape of my tits and pudenda.

Everywoman.

Brilliant. So depressingly true.

Perhaps someone local could go and stick this on the plinth.

LioneIRichTea · 12/11/2020 13:28

The absolute irony of white men talking about 'white women's anger'.

Also excluding black women and others from the conversation. I hate it too!!

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ChattyLion · 12/11/2020 13:07

I didn’t love either of the two statue pitch options that the organisers had to choose from, tho I think it’s good they picked a woman artist, it seemed an odd choice given that there are many women artists out there...and also that they assumed all women would make ‘feminist’ art, in all their work? Or maybe they said they didn’t want an overtly ‘feminist‘ piece- judging by the quote on the base which is quite an equalist selective type of quote? Am enjoying this discussion anyway it’s making me think about art and how differently we think about art in public spaces v art in galleries

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