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Statue to honour Wollstonecraft

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MedusasBadHairDay · 10/11/2020 01:08

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/nov/10/mary-wollstonecraft-finally-honoured-with-statue-after-200-years

It's a naked woman..

Currently reading A Vindication of the Rights of Woman for an OU course, and - unless the tone changes dramatically in the second half of it - I'm not seeing how an idealised nude is the right statue to convey anything about her?

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NeurotrashWarrior · 10/11/2020 20:01

@BewareTheBeardedDragon

They got rid of that stencil Whaaaaaat??? F.F.S I used to walk past it daily. It was so much better, and didn't take years of debate and £100s of 1000s to create.

I feel a Banksy coming on...

NeurotrashWarrior · 10/11/2020 20:00

I like this image from the bbc as it reminds me of Rodin, who I adore, but as Onjn says, that would be in the context of a gallery, or a decorative piece. Not public statue commemoration. I do find the woman at the top a little odd after the boiling exciting forms below.

I have to keep reminding myself it's "for her," and I get that, but then, why can't she have an actual image of her? Must she still be hidden?

Statue to honour Wollstonecraft
Imnobody4 · 10/11/2020 19:59

twitter.com/fawcettsociety/status/1326122041024655363?s=09

Beam me up Scottie I've had enough
It's trending on twtter by the way

Butterer · 10/11/2020 19:56

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BewareTheBeardedDragon · 10/11/2020 19:56

They got rid of that stencil
Whaaaaaat??? F.F.S I used to walk past it daily. It was so much better, and didn't take years of debate and £100s of 1000s to create.

lingle · 10/11/2020 19:56

Apparently this is not a statue of Wollstonecraft....

So can we have our money back?

Butterer · 10/11/2020 19:53

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lingle · 10/11/2020 19:53

“....it’s a porn body”
Says DH

lingle · 10/11/2020 19:52

DH has just taught a course on Wollstonecraft to first year undergrads, mainly young women.
He was going to let them know about the statue -but then saw it and thought better...

Imnobody4 · 10/11/2020 19:50

I genuinely question whether the artist actually knows who Mary is, or what she did
I agree she's just picked some random quote from the Internet and used her imagination to say what she wants to say. It's a complete failure, embarrassing.

chicklingpixies · 10/11/2020 19:34

@BewareTheBeardedDragon

This is so disappointing, I have contributed to the campaign for this bloody thing. There has been a graffiti stencil of her on the side of the Unitarian Church in Newington Green for years which is a much better tribute imo.
They got rid of that stencil Confused
ValancyRedfern · 10/11/2020 19:34

Fuxake. I was so happy when I heard about this and now I'm bursting with rage.

Onjnmoeiejducwoapy · 10/11/2020 19:25

I HATE it with a visceral passion and am so disappointed. My expertise is in art theory, and frankly I just think the sculpture is trash, and does not in any way fulfil the brief of public sculpture. It’s not a gallery piece or a decorative piece, it’s a commemoration and educational piece.

When you look at it, you wouldn’t even think it’s meant to represent her or her work. It just looks like any piece of budget D list sculpture, with some kind of raccoon shoved up her fanny.

I genuinely question whether the artist actually knows who Mary is, or what she did. Equally I have to question whether she gave any thought to the function and context of the work.

It’s dire. It’s an insult to Mary, and an insult to efforts to ensure greater representation of women in art—there are quite enough poorly sculpted decorative female nudes out there.

ErrolTheDragon · 10/11/2020 19:23

"Clothes define people and restrict people, they restrict people's reaction. She's naked and she's every woman.

Nakedness defines and restricts people - in particular women too. I've read the etymology of the word doesn't just imply a natural state , but rather not fully clothed, lacking something. Stripped.

This isn't 'everywoman'. If that was the idea, I reckon the unknown artist who created the Willendorf Venus did a better job.

BewareTheBeardedDragon · 10/11/2020 19:06

This is so disappointing, I have contributed to the campaign for this bloody thing. There has been a graffiti stencil of her on the side of the Unitarian Church in Newington Green for years which is a much better tribute imo.

Statue to honour Wollstonecraft
Prestel · 10/11/2020 19:03

NeurotrashWarrior
Losing sight of primary aims definitely feels like a contender for what's happened here. I'd just like those who made the choice, whatever the reasons, to take a bit of responsibility for what is unfortunately a rather poor choice instead of hiding behind the artist.

It's like the Jonathan Creek episode where an artist includes him in an ensemble mural as a naked cherub and he's expected to be flattered when it's obviously totally and utterly humiliating for him. Why would anyone be flattered by being depicted as a tiny, naked person? It really is baffling what went through these people's minds.

HecatesCats · 10/11/2020 18:59

@WeeBisom

Her being naked is obviously shitty, but I also noticed she appears to be coming out of water or waves and it's ...a tad insensitive seeing as she tried to drown herself in the Thames.
Oh god
Rocococo · 10/11/2020 18:59

Arrrggh.

That's so fucking regressive.

Once again it's all about the male gaze.

WhatsthetruthRuth · 10/11/2020 18:54

Oh I forgot about her shell at Aldeburgh - now that I liked.

WeeBisom · 10/11/2020 18:54

Her being naked is obviously shitty, but I also noticed she appears to be coming out of water or waves and it's ...a tad insensitive seeing as she tried to drown herself in the Thames.

JamieLeeCurtains · 10/11/2020 18:49

@Butterer

It kind of looks like someone melted and twisted up the world cup.
Or one those Ripley clones-gone-bad in Alien Resurrection.

It's not 'everywoman'. It's Wollstonecraft 8.

ArabellaScott · 10/11/2020 18:46

Crikey, a naked Darwin. That has cheered me up somewhat.

But yes, Shedbuilder, my overriding emotion is sadness and disappointment. I was looking forward to MW being rightly celebrated, and instead we have this silly farce. I've not seen anyone yet who likes the statue, and maybe there's a crumb of reassurement, that everyone but everyone is instantly aware of the very obvious issue with it, beyond being unattractive shape and material.

Agree, too that there were good reasons to choose a female artist - and it's just a shame I think Hambling has got this so wrong.

Melroses · 10/11/2020 18:44

@Shedbuilder

I wanted to give it an hour or two and see if my initial impression improved on a second viewing because it's Maggi Hambling and she took a kicking over her shells on Aldeborough beach and female artists always get flak. But no. A lump of silvery who-knows-what and out of it a tiny generic naked women with pert bosoms. It's an insult to Mary Wollenstoncraft and I'm terribly sad. At least it's only Newington Green and not somewhere more prominent.

Such flagrant sexism and from a lesbian who's faced sexism in the art world. Makes this woman despair.

I didn't understand what was wrong with the shell at Aldeburgh. They used to throw paint at it Confused

But I don't really understand this one at all. I keep looking and it doesn't get better. The picture that they chose to go ahead from looked far more organic and less detailed.

justasking111 · 10/11/2020 18:36

There is a sculpture of Darwin naked, they did not make him a pimple on a beef bone.

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justasking111 · 10/11/2020 18:32

Now someone ought to throw it in the river that I would clap for.

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