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Statue to honour Wollstonecraft

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MedusasBadHairDay · 10/11/2020 01:08

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/nov/10/mary-wollstonecraft-finally-honoured-with-statue-after-200-years

It's a naked woman..

Currently reading A Vindication of the Rights of Woman for an OU course, and - unless the tone changes dramatically in the second half of it - I'm not seeing how an idealised nude is the right statue to convey anything about her?

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ArabellaScott · 11/11/2020 08:58

Also, my one small note I am struggling not to keep saying because it's not pertinent to the main arguments - HER ARMS ARE TOO SHORT.

ArabellaScott · 11/11/2020 08:58

Butterer, that Oscar Wilde statue looks like the muppet character that comes out of a dustbin. As has been noted by various people, Hambling is not really a sculptor. She doesn't seem to have a good understanding of 3D work. I feel sorry for her here, actually, as I think she is genuine and will have had good intent, but somebody should have looked at the ridiculous statue and said 'sorry, no'.

LangClegTheBeardedVulture · 11/11/2020 08:56

I explained who MW was to my daughter and showed her a pic of the statue and she said “Why is she nude??!!”
Then she asked if they’ll put up a naked statue of JKR when she dies.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 11/11/2020 08:53

I think the face looks like a young boy.

MiddlesexGirl · 11/11/2020 08:51

It's disgraceful.

If the woman on top is representative of women who 'rise to the top', why this woman and why not some men that she's risen above?

Poor Mary Wollstonecraft must be turning in her grave.

GrumpiestCat · 11/11/2020 08:47

I just dont see how it reflects the subject. It's a naked woman raising from a mass of naked women? And this nakedness is relevant how?

Newgirls · 11/11/2020 08:37

It’s so bizarre. Knowing Hamblings work this isn’t even her usual approach - it’s usually quite gritty/unattractive so why she’s done this is so odd

I hate it too - love the idea above that she could have been clothed in her words. Maybe that could still happen

CatrinVennastin · 11/11/2020 08:34

I have a beautiful photo of my daughter and her friends beside the Millicent Fawcett statue (Pre covid climate march ).

I don’t think there is anything old fashioned about it. It’s a life like image of her.

I live close to Newington green but why would I take my daughters to see tits and ass which we are bombarded with anyway.

I hate it.

PotholeParadies · 11/11/2020 08:19

I think it's inappropriate for the purpose. As pointed out earlier up thread, it's conceptual art. In a gallery, with an accompanying text on the artist's vision of everywoman and Mary Wollstonecraft, I'd nod and try to look appropriately cultured and appreciative like it. It looks rather decorative in the photo of it in situ, too.

But it's not a gallery piece. It's a commemorative piece of public art commissioned to memorialise a particular historical figure, using money raised for the purpose, from members of the public. You have to keep in line with their expectations, even if art critics think portrait statuary is overdone and clichéd.

If I'd donated to the fund, I'd be most unimpressed.

I found this thread in defence of the statue from which maybe indicates where and how the committee went wrong.

twitter.com/FernRiddell/status/1326089371590799361?s=19

HazeyJaneII · 11/11/2020 07:25

I must admit to not being a fan of Maggi Hambling's work, especially her sculpture, but I didn't expect this to be so wrong on so many levels.

goodbyetrump · 11/11/2020 07:14

Imagine being a 12 year old girl and having to walk past that naked statue with your 12 year olds male school boy cohort. This stinks. It really does. Why did no one challenge this in its development stage. For shame.

DazzlePaintedBattlePants · 11/11/2020 07:13

It’s a fucking disgrace. The committee should be ashamed of themselves and Maggi has just demonstrated she has no understanding of MW at all. Or is it some post oppression POMO stunt I am not woke enough to get?

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/11/2020 06:59

Excellent analysis of statues and the female form by @BarbieReports on twitter now, and Mary's statue.

She's reported on a few naked statues in the past.

"Refuse to be the muse" is her motto, she shines a light on misogyny in the art world and galleries.

Statue to honour Wollstonecraft
NeurotrashWarrior · 11/11/2020 06:47

The organisers say it personifies the spirit rather than depicts the individual.

That comes back to that whole stereotypical "essence of a woman" shite a certain tra was banging on about.

LiveintheNow · 11/11/2020 04:51

She could have been clothed in her own words.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 11/11/2020 03:19

I usually love Hambling's work but this is awful, both in concept and execution. Yet again, a woman reduced to her naked body.
Utterly depressing

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 11/11/2020 00:37

I love that witches statue HecatesCats.

DidoLamenting · 11/11/2020 00:20

The comments on the Times article say that the committee who chose it are all women. Is that correct?

It really is awful.

HecatesCats · 11/11/2020 00:17

'Statue to alleged witches executed in Prestonpans, East Lothian'

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DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 11/11/2020 00:13

The Churchill statue is vigorous; he’s striding forward with purpose and wearing a generic coat which would have been normal attire anytime in the last 400 years. So not definec by his clothes.

And Darwin has his tackle modestly covered, while being allowed the dignity of an ageing human body. And nudity, for Darwin, nods to those pictures we’ve all seen, of the progression of human bodies in evolution. There is a point there.

But poor Mary. Apart from anything else, desirable 18th century bodies for women are not the toned and perky ones of 2020 Instagram, so she’s been displaced from her own history.

She emerges, tiny, passively, from a blob, gazing vacantly around with her bits on show. Her breasts are almost bigger than her head. No books or pen or article of clothing to suggest an individual who shook up the world.

When you think about it; it’s a pretty good representation of how the world thinks about women. So the sculpture tells us nothing about Mary Wollstonecroft, but captures the zeitgeist of attitudes toward women in 2020 with fair accuracy.

Butterer · 10/11/2020 23:59

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BahHumbygge · 10/11/2020 23:55

Reminds me of seeing the Little Mermaid in Copenhagen a couple of years ago... another famously tiny, disappointing and underwhelming nude. A dark allegory about the lot of many women... seeking male validation from the handsome prince, a deadly deal with an evil seawitch, suffering agonising pains from bodily modification from mermaid into human form, and a tragic ending which condemned her to be a "support human" serving mankind for 300 years.

Escapeplanning · 10/11/2020 23:37

I think it stinks

justasking111 · 10/11/2020 23:34

Tracy King has written a book called Learning to think... ummm....