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Statue to honour Wollstonecraft

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MedusasBadHairDay · 10/11/2020 01:08

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/nov/10/mary-wollstonecraft-finally-honoured-with-statue-after-200-years

It's a naked woman..

Currently reading A Vindication of the Rights of Woman for an OU course, and - unless the tone changes dramatically in the second half of it - I'm not seeing how an idealised nude is the right statue to convey anything about her?

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ErrolTheDragon · 12/11/2020 09:01

I'm just about to read this....Janice Turner in the Times...

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-feminist-role-model-whos-beach-body-ready-pz25h5tft?shareToken=28e021132d715e3d9ab161311a248eba

Antibles · 12/11/2020 08:59

Thank you annasgirl

Antibles · 12/11/2020 08:59

I'm still grumpy about it too.

I suppose the silver (ha ha) lining of all this is that Mary Wollstonecroft is getting a whole lot more exposure coverage publicity and that she the person and her works will reach more new readers than might have occurred otherwise.

HecatesCats · 12/11/2020 08:42

@Kantastic

Why were there only two choices?

I don't understand how this stuff works, but there must be lots of artists and aspiring artists who would kill for the opportunity to create something like this.

There are so many much better examples of tributes to women on this thread alone
SophocIestheFox · 12/11/2020 08:38

I’m still fuming about this, days later.

Write all the foundational feminist polemics you want, ladies. You’re still tits and minge on a plinth in the end. It’s like something an MRA would do.

Love the sketch of Mary’s reaction though Grin I think she’d have sworn a bit more, though.

ThinEndOfTheWedge · 12/11/2020 08:38

From the Daily Mail

Woman - adult human female' is a message used by some feminists to distinguish between women who are born female, and trans women.

How many more unaware women will read that statement and think... but...but... - I am woman because I am female - shit - I’m a feminist!

Flowers JL

ErrolTheDragon · 12/11/2020 08:36
  • It's the Daily Mail, but omg, SUNLIGHT! The article is about the T-shirt protest, not about the statue itself, and tells it like it is.*

It's got quite a bit about the statue too, and also about Wollstonecraft. From a quick look at the comments (there are lots) many of them are good!

Hambling's quote "She told the Evening Standard: 'She's everywoman and clothes would have restricted her. Statues in historic costume look like they belong to history because of their clothes. It's crucial that she is 'now'. "

How the hell is a naked ideal woman 'now'?Hmm if the figure had been clothed in some sort of non-period clothing it would have been much clearer it was not meant to be 'of' MW.

Kantastic · 12/11/2020 08:36

Why were there only two choices?

I don't understand how this stuff works, but there must be lots of artists and aspiring artists who would kill for the opportunity to create something like this.

Canwecancel2020 · 12/11/2020 08:35

I hate that DM article though... talking about “T**F” as if it’s something organised and self-proclaimed, not a misleading slur applied by others...

and the sneering, homophobic tone towards Dr Long like she’s some kind of fringe loony.

TinselAngel · 12/11/2020 08:35

@Duckwit

Oh dear Shon Faye doesn't approve of the t-shirt thing, slap on the wrist British ladies, you are doing feminism wrong...
I don't get what point Shon is trying to make. I'm assuming Shon thinks that picture makes British feminism look bad but I don't see how?
HecatesCats · 12/11/2020 08:29

GrinGrinGrin

Malahaha · 12/11/2020 08:29

@ThatIsNotMyUsername

The more I look at the blob - the more I think it looks like a male body (with slight boobage). What was she (the artist) thinking? Was she paying homage to the medieval paintings of naked ‘women’ where the models were obviously men?
Seen from a distance, it looks like the kind of bulge a man would have. As if they forgot to put knickers on her, and just left the bulge. Someone commenting on the DM article compared it to a broccoli head! I had to laugh cause it's true!
LioneIRichTea · 12/11/2020 08:29

*a doll-sized statue of Charles Dickens with washboard abs and his todger out.

I like this idea. Lots of nude male figures - Adam Smith in a mankini. David Hume in a cheeky turban and nothing else. Churchill with his famous cigar out.*

Nelson’s column

HecatesCats · 12/11/2020 08:28

'Radical lesbian activist' COVERS UP new sculpture celebrating 'mother of feminism' Mary Wollstonecraft after critics slammed artist for reducing icon to a 'naked silver Barbie doll'

Now there's a headline! Thanks for sharing Malahaha.

MaMaLa321 · 12/11/2020 08:27

lots of so many better depictions of women. I have to add my favourite, Walking Mary, by Elizabeth Frink, in Salisbury Cathedral Close.
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So many reasons to love it. She's an old, unidealized, women. But active - striding towards the viewer. Her left hand is a different colour, because so many people touch it. Also, she's life-size, at ground level. So viewing her is a very intimate experience.

HecatesCats · 12/11/2020 08:26

@Duckwit

Oh dear Shon Faye doesn't approve of the t-shirt thing, slap on the wrist British ladies, you are doing feminism wrong...
I take it as an endorsement of the opposite
ThatIsNotMyUsername · 12/11/2020 08:19

The more I look at the blob - the more I think it looks like a male body (with slight boobage). What was she (the artist) thinking? Was she paying homage to the medieval paintings of naked ‘women’ where the models were obviously men?

Malahaha · 12/11/2020 08:13

It's the Daily Mail, but omg, SUNLIGHT!
The article is about the T-shirt protest, not about the statue itself, and tells it like it is.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8934753/Sculpture-Mary-Wollstonecraft-slammed-reducing-campaigner-naked-silver-Barbie-doll.html?fbclid=IwAR0LMxQf1mX3j06MqEUDXhUbe9mLpWvY6DfGiSVMa-55w4N5_TztEzLRJeI

NeurotrashWarrior · 12/11/2020 07:40

Can't fit this photo tweet on:

"One more point: for me this is a huge lesson in engaging with what’s going on in the community. I knew this statue was coming, was pleased, wanted it but I was also busy and knew ‘other people’ were campaigning for it. So, didn’t bother getting involved. Obviously, now wish I had"

NeurotrashWarrior · 12/11/2020 07:38

Breasts are still too pointy though.

I'd love to know what Jenny Savile would have done.,

NeurotrashWarrior · 12/11/2020 07:37

Thread explaining the choice.

Definitely confusion over what choice was the "right" choice and i suspect there would have been criticism either way:

(I prefer the maquette.)

Statue to honour Wollstonecraft
Statue to honour Wollstonecraft
Statue to honour Wollstonecraft
NeurotrashWarrior · 12/11/2020 07:26

Maybe this was Maggie's plan all along Wink ...

Statue to honour Wollstonecraft
NeurotrashWarrior · 12/11/2020 07:21

Love the fact there's no comment on the tee or dresser in the write up!

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/mary-wollstonecraft-sculpture-covered-clothes-feminism-b65266.html

Duckwit · 12/11/2020 07:16

Oh dear Shon Faye doesn't approve of the t-shirt thing, slap on the wrist British ladies, you are doing feminism wrong...

WeAreFromThePlanetDuplo · 12/11/2020 06:16

Women should write this into their wills, refusing permission to ever be commemorated, by/with/for/using any preposition or declension, in the nip.

I'm thinking of getting it tattooed on somewhere, just in case I become a late bloomer and do something impressive before I snuff it.