There's a WOMAN in the White House (nearly)

Trump's rescission of Obama's POTUS guidance on Title IX was a win for women/girls (female variety, um of the female reproductive organ owners type). And there's more but I expect you are already aware.

Obviously, the fine detail is very important to you as an informed American. I don't know whether you have a legal background or work in a political field, or whether you are just interested.

I perform my duty as a citizen of this nation by educating myself and accessing the public documents that any American can access (for free) if they want to make the effort.

But you are being pretty unrealistic to expect the vast, vast majority to have the energy, inclination, educaton or means to understand all the ins and outs of constitutional law or political machinations in general. For the vast majority, it is not their fault, your system never gave them a chance.

Okay I didn't say I expected anyone to understand the ins and outs of constitutional law (I don't and most constitutional lawyers don't and neither do judges for that matter - both tend to specialize as our constitution is so lengthy and wordy). In regards to the energy, inclination, or education - I see those as excuses to be ignorant of our government. Those that choose ignorance at their own peril are oft surprised when they are suddenly persecuted. I began my journey in middle school in American Government class and continued as a homeless teenager at the free public library (because they would let me stay all night). Yep I totally saw myself as superior to my compatriots while I was wearing the same clothes for days on end, bathing at school, eating customer leftovers from their plates at work, and playing off to the authorities that all was hunky dory.

Your attitude towards people with an equal voting right as you is replete with contempt.

Because they choose to be ill-informed and follow popular sentiment? Because they don't read anything and vote based on SM and MSM only? Because they pander feelings as facts and hate (literally fucking hate and make threats to) people like me that actually care about material reality and seek pragmatic legislature? Yes I hold their perspectives in contempt because they are in contempt as they are guilty of disrespecting our duty to provide freedom/liberty/justice to all Americans. By choosing ignorance they condemn the most vulnerable to terrible circumstances. My family, friends, neighbors, and acquaintances all voted for their picks. I support their right to choose the candidate(s) they believe they align most with but most of them are admittedly uninformed and voted based on platitudes. I have a right to my perspective and so do they - I don't hate them or otherwise though I am saddened and frustrated by their lack of commitment.

Perhaps that's justified in your experience; but if Brexit has taught us British anything, woe betide telling someone with as much power as you have that they are a fuckwit.

Well I would never call any of them fuckwits; I might call them sheeple/uninformed/self-righteous to their faces after sharing actual facts if they continue to attempt to lecture me on things they are painfully ignorant about (it is a constant). On occasion I see that little light go off and I can only hope that they will read more and listen less to platitudes. Not because I'm right but because I hope to have a better discussion the next go around. Intelligent discourse regarding politics is a rarity here IME.

Perhaps using all that knowledge to start a conversation at grassroots level might change a few minds.

That is why I am an active member of WoLF, have started a local women's group, and donate to WHRC. Additionally, I speak to anyone in person that is even somewhat receptive to me to garner support for sex-based rights in the US.

Nobody on a UK website is going to care much once this thread disappears into the annals.

I guess it depends on how the outcome affects the greater world, you could be totally correct in that assertion. I have no idea.

We've got our own problems, and have been told quite categorically that our gender ID issues aren't your issues, and that we don't understand your issues.

I disagree with the PPs that state as much. We basically have self-ID in many states. Currently legislature moves towards encapsulating gender identity under 'sex' which is a huge threat while including sexual orientation is an obvious and needed addition. The TR movement is a big problem here but it is now inextricably tied to BLM so barely anyone will put their heads above the parapet for fear of losing their jobs or being called a bigot (regardless of skin color, sex, or sexual orientation). Sounds pretty similar to what you all are enduring TBH. We aren't Canada (yet) but the nation is being pulled into the vortex.

It's certainly an odd and unprecedented situation to find ourselves speculating that an unashamed misogynist who talked about grabbing em by the pussy might yet have been the best option for women's rights - admittedly inadvertently.

I think there is pretty much zero chance that self ID or the erosion of the meaning of 'a woman' would have happened under Trump, even if he probably thought women should be in the kitchen or whatever.

@FrankieSezRelax is that the one that bans critical race theory in federal institutions?

Sorry I meant forum on the EA (HR-5).

And to clarify my own typo (just in case you are unaware), the ERA has been ratified by the required 38 states but many did so post the 1982 deadline for ratification. As of 02/2020 the House passed HJ Res 79 allowing revocation of 1982 deadline but the ERA still faces many hurdles to become law at this point (I hope it is ratified in our constitution sooner rather than later but I mean it has been around since 1923 so I'm not holding my breath).

My apologies for the typo in my previous post.

If you don't think term limits and when the runoff will be held and for whom isn't new and valuable info I can only surmise that you are just mad that you got called out.

Date for run off, date for mid term elections, both mentioned by me in my long post at 10.45. For whom, again, clarified having been "called out" by FrankieSez on my original gabbled comment. Happy to be called out, not really to be patronised or scolded, especially when I have already corrected myself, made the salient points or had the conversation with other people at the time.

But ultimately, no, I don't think anyone was looking for the full ins and outs of US constitutional law, just the basics, in the general context of a bunch of Brits discussing wtf happens now. Obviously, the fine detail is very important to you as an informed American. I don't know whether you have a legal background or work in a political field, or whether you are just interested. But you are being pretty unrealistic to expect the vast, vast majority to have the energy, inclination, educaton or means to understand all the ins and outs of constitutional law or political machinations in general. For the vast majority, it is not their fault, your system never gave them a chance. Your attitude towards people with an equal voting right as you is replete with contempt. Perhaps that's justified in your experience; but if Brexit has taught us British anything, woe betide telling someone with as much power as you have that they are a fuckwit.

Perhaps using all that knowledge to start a conversation at grassroots level might change a few minds. Nobody on a UK website is going to care much once this thread disappears into the annals. We've got our own problems, and have been told quite categorically that our gender ID issues aren't your issues, and that we don't understand your issues. I'm pretty relieved to know that, actually.

I won't lie I was a little shocked by the lack of open discourse in general about this election. MN at least provided some pragmatic discussions but throughout the US online and in society there is a great deal of self-segregation from both sides leaving those like me feeling like hanging chads.

I am so thankful for those of you that weigh in (regardless of country) as it helps refine my perspective from my own political trenches. I am always happy to correct or be corrected and when I see someone clearly misrepresents an immensely important part of our government I will seek to clarify. I meant to give info in my response not berate (well the sheeple I mean to berate if I'm honest but that's it).

I read back over my correction of BlueCat's misrepresentation to ensure I wasn't unnecessarily harsh or finger-pointy or hateful and after re-reading it I found that short of calling her out it was innocuous (IMO anyway). But as an American I also realize that what I find to be okay is sometimes interpreted as rude (or is actually rude I guess) so I apologize if it is warranted.

My follow-up post was meant a little tongue-in-cheek, a little snarky, because she said "RTFT" and I am over people's assumptions and warrantless instruction.

That's all I have in me as I am firmly in the 'fuck being kind' zone as I'm actively being erased by the 'be kind' groupies via regulatory as well as legislative capture and now the executive branch capture is in clear view.

I have recruited several women from my group (of every political flavor) to participate in Saturday's forum RE: ERA - we are all hoping for the best but fully expecting the worst.

Ah October...when the Democrats thought they were going to gain 5-6 seats in the Senate.

But your links helpfully point out the difference between legislation and EOs so that’s quite useful.

Kind of my point which is that the senate has a conservative bias making it unlikely that any left-wing legislation will come through Congress for the foreseeable future. Even several Democratic senators eg Joe Manchin would probably be no votes. The ACA is the most “radically left” policy that came out of Democratic control of Congress under Obama.

In other words - America is conservative and its government largely reflects that. Britain is totally different culturally and structurally.

And here is Biden one week ago:

www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/biden-vows-pass-lgbtq-rights-legislation-first-100-days-n1245244

thehill.com/homenews/campaign/523472-biden-vows-to-make-equality-act-a-legislative-priority-for-first-100-days

I’ve never heard of a president passing a Bill sitting with the Senate by EO. That’s just not the process of lawmaking in the US. EO’s can instruct agencies under the President’s authority to take certain measures. But pass pending laws? How could they as they are reversible?

By the way this is Biden’s list of policy priorities, there’s a hell of a lot there to keep him busy for four years and LGBT/trans isn’t on it.

www.npr.org/2020/11/09/932190347/bidens-first-100-days-here-s-what-to-expect?utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR374Wt2mGUo4-Xsk7QlvefruVWJWWaHY7aQTVAiEu3rUDBFu-zvEERDfB8&fbclid=IwAR3S6IE1Zodh0LzvIzdro6QUV8Nw4-46Z7qHnpStJqT7nuDZk-UqwsGbmqI

However Biden absolutely can sign the EA through as an EO. What would be the grounds for stopping him? Can you cite anything?— asking in earnest, not as a gotcha.

Oh - and if Biden pushed it through by EO, which I’m not sure he actually can - and the law caused the problems you anticipate, it will be prime fodder for 2024 Republicans to promise to overturn it the first day of their new presidential term.

For a bill to become a law both houses of Congress have to pass it. If the Senate, which is far more conservative, amends it the House has to agree to those changes.

The ERA never got passed in 50 years but you think the Equality Act is about to sail through?

FTR I’m an American @turnitonagain.

“Trump has no legitimate legal path to victory, Biden does not have dementia, and the Senate is not on the verge of making Self ID federal policy.”

The senate? No. I don’t recall anyone with knowledge of the US House and Senate (not to mention the deep divides btw them) suggesting the senate would make self-id policy.

But Biden can sign the Equality Act into law via executive order and he most likely will do just that in an effort to keep the bill out of the headlines and off the debate floor. We discuss all the time the ways the TRA agenda has been let in through the proverbial backdoor in the UK without rightfully informing the public or allowing for debate; do you really think the tactics used in the US would be any different?

People can talk about America but they are imagining that Britain’s issues are theirs. They are not. Americans do not need MN users who haven’t stepped a foot outside of Walt Disney World to breathlessly panic about how the trans agenda is coming for their children.

So that's fine, American's do not need to read anything written by MN users. And as America is the nation that inflicted the plastic shit show for obese adult babies that is Walt Disney World on the planet, then maybe keep the predictability poor American attempt at sarcasm to yourself.

I don't think I've ever known a topic on FWR attract as many accusations, and scoldings as this election has done.

Do please correct us when we get our facts wrong, and many thanks to US posters who have patiently answered questions over multiple threads. But of course we're going to talk about it. This last week has been the first time since March that the pandemic hasn't been front page news in the UK. The time to get worried is when the world stops talking about you.

If you don't think term limits and when the runoff will be held and for whom isn't new and valuable info I can only surmise that you are just mad that you got called out.

And FTR many voters here ARE sheeple, completely uninformed and go by what SM tells them or what some dude at the gas station said or One America News or CNN without having any inkling that they are consuming propaganda like H2O. Many of my compatriots don't know anything about our constitution beyond what they misquote and they definitely aren't reading SCOTUS opinions in their entirety - you should see the looks I get when people attempt to speak about whatever junk they saw on FB and realize I actually take the time to be truly informed and that their interpretation of a soundbite is worlds away from the actual ruling/opinion. Many of them don't even know that their state has a constitution or a supreme court.

Be mad on their behalf if you want but they are a huge part of the problem; their laissez-faire attitudes towards policies (enacting or revoking/amending) that affect anyone that isn't them is disheartening to say the least.

FTR (not directed at you BlueCat on any level), I attempted to have open discourse in FWR on multiple threads regarding the incumbent and the current POTUS-elect.

Because I think they both suck, depending on what I said at any given time I was either regarded as a bigot funded by right-wing Christians (nothing funnier has been said about me, ever) or a dimwitted 'progressive' - neither of which are true. Like many of my compatriots I am disgusted by the polarization of this potentially great country and by the overt inability to think beyond feelings (right & left leaning regardless of party affiliation); where I differ is that I refuse to espouse the greatness of either side as they are both fucked up in their own ways.

This shit is broken as fuck and if you are part of it and can't see it for what it is you are willfully ignorant and a huge part of the problem. This is a nation of (mostly) spoiled assholes hellbent on enforcing individualism to the detriment of individuals.

This nation is showing all the signs of the falls of civilizations of the past. I refuse to pick a side because both sides are corrupt and seek to dismantle important legislature without regard for the most vulnerable (incl humans, animals, plants/ecosystems).

Both sides lost me because I am informed... not by MSM or SM but by reading our actual legislative documents (incl constitution) as well as SCOTUS opinions/decisions as well as DC opinions/decisions as well as State Supreme Court opinions/decisions (when relevant) as well as state constitutions (when relevant) as well as state/federal budgets when released and POTUS guidance in addition to reading brokered peace agreements and economy data et al.

I mean if both sides could state facts we'd be in much better shape but as it stands it is just a game of whose morals are on the right side of history or on the right side of God (hint: both sides are wrong on many things and both sides are right on many things depending on what the subject involves).

We have a sad state of affairs here; I am completely mortified by the bizarre excitement about a POTUS-elect that nobody really wants just because they aren't the incumbent. The only celebrating I am doing in regards to this shitshow is that fewer trees will be stripped to send propaganda in the mail and I can finally clear out my VM (it is full of propaganda call VMs from both sides).

This thread is so full of inaccuracies!

Trump has no legitimate legal path to victory, Biden does not have dementia, and the Senate is not on the verge of making Self ID federal policy.

Title IX changes under Obama still protect women’s sports, sororities, single sex dormitories etc at university campuses. Given many of America’s top universities are religious, I struggle to imagine say Notre Dame, whose president is a Catholic priest, being made to accommodate transgender students. You can’t even buy a condom on campus.

People can talk about America but they are imagining that Britain’s issues are theirs. They are not. Americans do not need MN users who haven’t stepped a foot outside of Walt Disney World to breathlessly panic about how the trans agenda is coming for their children.

I clarified my own remark at 16.23, Quaagars , in response to FrankieSez.

She corrected your mis-representation though?
How is that not adding anything?
Or did you just want to go uncorrected and nobody question?
It's good to get mis-information corrected instead of standing

The misrepresentation was through clumsy use of language (for which I apologised, and which I clarified) not lack of knowledge or seeking to assert falsities. Clarify away, but you haven't actually added anything more to the conversation, apart from calling voters "sheeple".

And yes I saw you conceded that you misrepresented our legislative branch elections and I felt that a clear explanation was still due. Maybe don't assert falsities and then you won't have to worry about being corrected multiple times.

/Just sayin'.