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I don't think this is transphobic

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Betty94 · 05/11/2020 20:47

Hi all,

I just wanted opinions really as I may be in the wrong but there was a lot of discussion on Poland and the abortion laws on Twitter and someone I follow retweeted a tweet from a man who said abortion is immoral blah blah and she quoted friends and said "no uterus no opinion" and personally I think even if you do have a uterus you can't really dictate what other people do but all of a sudden this person said she was being transphobic and it's trans hate to say that - I mean I didn't think it was, is it? I just feel like when anything's referred to women it's transphobic no matter what it is, trans women will never have to make the decision whether to have an abortion or not so I don't see how something regarding abortion can be transphobic - I thought I'd ask here as people are way more intelligent than me haha and can maybe explain if I'm wrong or not.

Thank you x

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ScreamingBeans · 06/11/2020 20:01

Yes.

Everything's transphobic.

So who cares.

If you are remotely determined to hang on to any semblance of sanity, you will at some point be transphobic as defined by maniacs.

So fuck it. Be transphobic. It's just another way of saying you're not entirely detached from reality. The word has no real power.

FindTheTruth · 06/11/2020 19:09

Dawid, who works on line, HAS protested every single day, and he has brought his brothers and friends and even his 70-something devoutly Catholic father along.

❤️👏

And many Polish trans people can and have and do stand beside women in protest. I know, because I have met them out there doing it. It’s misogynists hiding behind “trans rights activism” who have a (manufactured, and frankly culturally imperialist) issue with simply saying: women are human, and women matter - in some specific contexts, even more than men.

Thank you for posting this. the issue isn't trans people. its trans activists who refuse to acknowledge that biological females matter more than others in some contexts.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/11/2020 19:03

Thanks for that very informative post, Maduixa. You're right, this sort of nonsense is just thinly disguised misogyny, of no benefit to women or trans people.

Duckwit · 06/11/2020 18:59

I just feel like when anything's referred to women it's transphobic no matter what it is

Yep.

I have kind of become de-sensitised to the word 'transphobic' now, because most of the time, actual transphobia (mostly from men) is ignored and the word now basically just means 'pro-woman'.

RuffleCrow · 06/11/2020 18:56

Tell him he's transphobic (and frankly sexist) for assuming transgender people don't have uteruses. Nearly all the female ones do.

Maduixa · 06/11/2020 18:50

Hi, Betty94. I live In Poland and this idea makes no sense to me. I’d like to explain why - and I’m sorry but it’s a long explanation.

What has happened here in terms of the law has real consequences - which hit women the worst and hardest.

I have friends here in Warsaw - I’ll call them Helena and Dawid to preserve their anonymity, but their story is unfortunately common. They’re married and have two children; they’re both from large families and wanted at least four. Last year, Helena became pregnant but started having a lot of abdominal pain she hadn’t had in the previous pregnancies. They discovered that there was an abnormality of the fetus and not only would the pain continue but the baby was almost certain to be stillborn or to die within a few hours of birth.

Helena had an abortion - not easy as she and Dawid are observant Roman Catholics (and not logistically easy in Poland even then). Carrying the pregnancy to term would have been incredibly painful for her, but also emotionally horrible for Dawid and their two young children. But that’s what they’d potentially face if she were to become pregnant with the revised laws in place. They have decided not to try for another child - even if this new ruling gets mitigated or rolled back somehow, it’s just too risky.

Helena is a doctor; she has not been out on the streets every day and didn’t strike last Wednesday. She feels guilty about that but COVID is surging here and she felt she had to go to work. Dawid, who works on line, HAS protested every single day, and he has brought his brothers and friends and even his 70-something devoutly Catholic father along.

If Polish husbands and fathers and grandfathers and boyfriends and brothers and just compassionate male humans in general can come out and march and protest with women in the explicitly-named “women’s strike” (Strajk Kobiet) WITHOUT demanding to be centered, why do trans people (or anyone) in another country have to hijack this highly contentious and volatile local issue to talk about discrimination against THEM?

And I’ll answer my own question: trans people can and do understand that this is an issue that impacts “people with uteri” disproportionately. And many Polish trans people can and have and do stand beside women in protest. I know, because I have met them out there doing it. It’s misogynists hiding behind “trans rights activism” who have a (manufactured, and frankly culturally imperialist) issue with simply saying: women are human, and women matter - in some specific contexts, even more than men.

EyesOpening · 06/11/2020 17:51

[quote FindTheTruth]Even 'Natural bodybuilding' is transphobic these days. 🙄twitter.com/ripx4nut911/status/1324748987942002688[/quote]
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FindTheTruth · 06/11/2020 17:23

Even 'Natural bodybuilding' is transphobic these days. 🙄twitter.com/ripx4nut911/status/1324748987942002688

Beamur · 06/11/2020 15:14

@ImaSababa

What ISN'T transphobic these days?
Quite. Can't say woman, but can say vulva haver, cervix haver, etc. Can't say uterus haver? See above? So what can you say? It's all just deeply tiresome and inconsistent. It's a deliberate tactic to destabilise language.
Quaagars · 06/11/2020 15:03

I just automatically read it as a Rachel quote from Friends lol

PurpleHoodie · 06/11/2020 08:09

Anything about women (or female centric) is "maletransphobic".

Boo. Hoo.

"Transphobic" is as powerful as blancmange pinned to a door with a rusty nail.

lockdownlegend · 05/11/2020 22:07

Why bother engage with idiots?

ImaSababa · 05/11/2020 22:00

What ISN'T transphobic these days?

Toseland · 05/11/2020 21:57

It’s like being in an abusive relationship - you can’t argue or discuss, goalposts change, it’s time wasting and distraction. Women should quit Twitter in disgust.

TiersTiersTiers · 05/11/2020 21:56

@NecessaryScene1

The rules are simple.

If a TRA or an Stonewall-approved organisation says "uterus haver" or something about people with uteruses and a woman complain, the woman is transphobic.

If a gender critical woman says "uterus haver" or something about people with uteruses, then TRAs can say that the woman is transphobic.

This.

100%

EyesOpening · 05/11/2020 21:55

They must be thinking it's transphobic as TW haven't got a uterus and you're telling them therefore they can't have an opinion when they feel they should be able to have the only an opinion

Kantastic · 05/11/2020 21:41

I read your title and before I read the thread I thought "well, she's clearly wrong. Everything is transphobic."

wingsoverscotland.com/everything-is-transphobic/

The word is so overused by social media bullies on sad little power trips that it's basically meaningless.

5zeds · 05/11/2020 21:38

I agree it’s just silly. Ignore the squeaky ones.

MissMarplesGlove · 05/11/2020 21:33

I just feel like when anything's referred to women it's transphobic no matter what it is

Yup.

I never thought, being a baby feminist in the Women's Liberation movement in the 1970s, that simply to name female anatomy in 2020 would be seen as a such a social sin.

It's appalling, and you are absolutely right to be concerned about this, OP.

jay55 · 05/11/2020 21:33

Of course abortion and everything surrounding abortion is transphobic because transwomen can't have one to share the experience.
Hmm

Just like everything else that relies on female biology.

StillWeRise · 05/11/2020 21:26

you are completely right, OP, and hopefully this will show anyone who hasn't realised yet that transactivism is just an excuse to infringe on women's rights and interests
NB it's transactivism that is the problem, I'm sure there are plenty of trans people who perfectly well understand that the right to control your own body is especially important if you have a uterus, what with some trans people having uteruses.

Escapeplanning · 05/11/2020 21:24

Some people are just silly OP and best ignored, especially on Twitter.

Babdoc · 05/11/2020 21:19

I’m in my sixties and I’ve now lost all patience with the bloody stupid virtue signalling of the young woke.
Screaming “transphobia” is the modern equivalent of screaming “blasphemer” at people who will not bow to your dogma.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 05/11/2020 21:11

I just feel like when anything's referred to women it's transphobic no matter what it is

You’ve hit the nail on the head.

peboh · 05/11/2020 21:09

No. Not transphobic at all.

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