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advice on a male teacher at DDs school please

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happydappy2 · 04/11/2020 12:48

My DD in year 9 used to have a wonderful female PE teacher who went on mat leave & might not come back. Currently a young male teacher has taken over and the girls feel uncomfortable when he watches them doing PE. One of them has looked at his social media & seen who he is following on instagram....lots of female body builders who pose in skimpy barely there bikinis (as is normal for body builders) but also some young women who pose in a very sexualised way in barely there bikinis....lots of boobs & bum on show. (Not topless but good as.) One girl has asked me if that is appropriate for a teacher & I'm struggling with how I feel about this. I would have thought all teachers have to have squeaky clean social media or set it to private. I've asked the headmaster for his views but wondered what others thought-am I over reacting or is this not really OK?

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TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/11/2020 22:59

And incredibly depressing to see the way teenage girls are being vilified on here.

Great posts, NiceGerbil.

chickenyhead · 05/11/2020 22:57

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark
Grin

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/11/2020 22:56

I can’t help wondering exactly where Readandwalk has been teaching for the last 24 years 🤔

chickenyhead · 05/11/2020 22:56

neu.org.uk/advice/social-media-model-policy-schools

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/11/2020 22:53

@Readandwalk

Where is everyone getting the idea that teachers are told to keep SM private? In 24 years of teaching I have never been told this or advised this. We are asked not to make 'friends' with current students. Thats it..
It’s been completely the norm for the last few years at least for schools to tell teachers to keep their SM private, so it’s very odd that no one has told you or advised you this.

Do you have regular safeguarding training at your current school?

saraclara · 05/11/2020 22:30

Oh, and my school had a specific social media policy, And every member of staff, teaching and non-teaching had to read and sign it.

saraclara · 05/11/2020 22:27

@Readandwalk

Where is everyone getting the idea that teachers are told to keep SM private? In 24 years of teaching I have never been told this or advised this. We are asked not to make 'friends' with current students. Thats it..
We were told at least eight years ago. And my daughter who's been teaching for ten years knew to do so within her probationary year.

Though that was because one of her friends ended up in a national newspaper when a parent stalked the FB page of another of her teacher friends, found a photo of them both at a hen night, and complained to the school. The photoof them having fun (but not remotely indecently dressed or behaving badly) was printed in the paper.

Fortunately both young women's Head Teachers were supportive. But the publicity made most schools realise that their staff needed advising to lock their pages down.

ComeOnBabyHauntMyBubble · 05/11/2020 22:25

@Readandwalk

Where is everyone getting the idea that teachers are told to keep SM private? In 24 years of teaching I have never been told this or advised this. We are asked not to make 'friends' with current students. Thats it..
Every September inset. We are advised and encouraged to have all out SM profiles private and preferably use different names too.

I already ticked both boxes before starting to work at the school so not an issue really.

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 05/11/2020 22:23

I’ve been a teacher for 25 years.

13 or so years ago we were advised not to have social media at all

Now the advice is to lock it as tight as poss. This is reinforced by head of safeguarding every term

Ofsted outstanding school for safeguarding.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 05/11/2020 22:17

@Readandwalk

Where is everyone getting the idea that teachers are told to keep SM private? In 24 years of teaching I have never been told this or advised this. We are asked not to make 'friends' with current students. Thats it..
Speaking only for myself, @Readandwalk - I’m getting it from ds2 who qualified as a secondary school teacher just over 2 years ago. He says they were warned to make their social media private.
Pollynextdoor · 05/11/2020 21:42

Just got an email from the school they are closing. 4 days in after half term. Lots of teachers testing positive. I hope they are okey. Such an exposed profession at the momentSad

Readandwalk · 05/11/2020 21:40

Where is everyone getting the idea that teachers are told to keep SM private? In 24 years of teaching I have never been told this or advised this. We are asked not to make 'friends' with current students. Thats it..

Noideawottodo · 05/11/2020 18:08

I do not consider scantily clad women to be sluts, this is your wording

No it isn't! It's a phrase. Jarring, I know.

chickenyhead · 05/11/2020 18:03

@Noideawottodo

Oh I see. I didn't misunderstand you at all.

I do not consider scantily clad women to be sluts, this is your wording.

A woman should be able to dress as she chooses, I believe that I have already stated that.

The objectification of womens bodies by others, the promotion of that and arising expectation that occurs as a consequence, I do have issue with.

I believe that you are simply seeking to attack people.

I don't agree with men who visit prostitutes, I don't believe that you can buy consent. That does not mean that I consider prostitutes to be bad people. Quite the opposite.

Noideawottodo · 05/11/2020 17:54

[quote chickenyhead]****@Noideawottodo**

Television, advertising, page 3, music lyrics/videos, magazines...it is everywhere. It is the duty of parents to educate their children that this objectification is wrong

This is a different issue.

I presume you don't have woke teens in that case as what you are saying sounds like what dd2 would call 'slut shaming'.**

Excuse me?

I pass no judgement on women dressing how they choose to. But when it becomes an expectation, there is an issue.

I'm not sure I wish to engage with you any further. You are coming across badly perhaps. Text can do that.[/quote]
Really? I presume you don't understand what I'm saying.

If you have teenage girls you will find that a lot of them don't appreciate us old school feminists saying women shouldn't wear bikinis and 'objectifying' clothing.

Google slut- shaming.

Kcar · 05/11/2020 17:43

[quote SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius]**@ComeOnBabyHauntMyBubble* - in her OP, @happydappy2* says:

”...Currently a young male teacher has taken over and the girls feel uncomfortable when he watches them doing PE...”[/quote]
But @SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius that’s not what she took to the head. The Only concern she took to the head was the insta following one.

And she has not told the parents of the children that they have expressed concern to her.

That’s wrong.

She should have told the parents, and gone to the head with her dd if her dd was one of those the teacher made uncomfortable.

She didn’t do that.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 05/11/2020 17:33

@ComeOnBabyHauntMyBubble - in her OP, @happydappy2 says:

”...Currently a young male teacher has taken over and the girls feel uncomfortable when he watches them doing PE...”

ComeOnBabyHauntMyBubble · 05/11/2020 17:24

@Ritasueandbobtoo9

happydappy2

You have done the right thing. If it is a piece of a bigger picture it might be an important piece.

It was very much like that with the prolific paedophile teacher I mentioned earlier.

But OP didn't even mention the girls feeling uncomfortable with him. Just the SM thing, which was easily resolved and probably dismissed. She painted a very small picture,for someone that concerned.
DidoLamenting · 05/11/2020 17:10

@happydappy2

Kcar This thread is not about me-I was asking for opinions on the teachers SM profile. Stop trying to make it about me & what I have or haven't done. It's so transparent this narrative of 'attack the person raising concerns.'

I won't go into details with you as I've previously explained.

You can't be extracted from the thread. You initiated the approach to the head and initiated or encouraged the conversations with the children . You started throwing out accusations that posters were men.

You, despite all your concerns about safeguarding, refuse to answer the very simple question- did you discuss this with the parents of the children with whom you were discussing this? If you didn't, you yourself, in my opinion are not applying good safeguarding principles.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 05/11/2020 17:08

happydappy2

You have done the right thing. If it is a piece of a bigger picture it might be an important piece.

It was very much like that with the prolific paedophile teacher I mentioned earlier.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 05/11/2020 17:03

”...Because trust me, I'd be more concerned about the teachers who do make everything private...”

@ariettesmall - teachers are TOLD to make their social media private!

Either you are saying that teachers should not be allowed to have social media, or you think it is sensible for teachers’ social media accounts to be open to their pupils, with all the safeguarding concerns that would bring - not to mention the risks to teachers’ privacy.

”I find it quite extraordinary that you feel you have rights over this mans SM.”

@Motherofthreequeens - I wouldn't see it @happydappy2 wanting rights over the teacher’s social media - as far as I am aware, it is pretty much accepted policy within schools that teachers’ social media should be private, and this teacher clearly needed to be reminded of this.

chickenyhead · 05/11/2020 16:51

@Noideawottodo

Television, advertising, page 3, music lyrics/videos, magazines...it is everywhere. It is the duty of parents to educate their children that this objectification is wrong

This is a different issue.

I presume you don't have woke teens in that case as what you are saying sounds like what dd2 would call 'slut shaming'.**

Excuse me?

I pass no judgement on women dressing how they choose to. But when it becomes an expectation, there is an issue.

I'm not sure I wish to engage with you any further. You are coming across badly perhaps. Text can do that.

Noideawottodo · 05/11/2020 16:47

Television, advertising, page 3, music lyrics/videos, magazines...it is everywhere. It is the duty of parents to educate their children that this objectification is wrong

This is a different issue.

I presume you don't have woke teens in that case as what you are saying sounds like what dd2 would call 'slut shaming'.

chickenyhead · 05/11/2020 16:45

@Noideawottodo

Mine wouldn't, no. But I didn't write this post. Does that mean I am not entitled to an opinion?.

Let's not all pretend that the objectification of women in society is limited to SM. It is so disingenuous as to be laughable.

Television, advertising, page 3, music lyrics/videos, magazines...it is everywhere. It is the duty of parents to educate their children that this objectification is wrong.

Noideawottodo · 05/11/2020 16:44

Oh really? How's that then? Just use your friends instead?

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