advice on a male teacher at DDs school please

No wonder the UK has a dire dire problem recruiting and retaining teachers.

NiceGerbil I totally agree. Excellent post.

I know many teenage girls and Gerbil's list doesn't describe any of them. Young men who think that the pornification of young women is OK are ten a penny. I would not want such men teaching my teenage girl PE or influencing my teenage boy.

He looks at them, apparently . I'd love to see that meeting when OP sits with school management. My daughter's teacher looks at his students.

And follows people on instagram.

In the op.

The way he watches them when they do PE.

I don't think the phrase 'creeps them out' was used. It was makes them feel uncomfortable.

Does that help?

I can't get my head round that, when told he creeps them out OP didn't ask "Why, in what way, what does he do?"
That would be my first question.

What storm? This is an anonymous chat board.

Why is a woman saying, DD and a few of her friends feel uncomfortable suchs big thing?

Ok DD. Thanks for telling me. Not s lot i can do. Keep an eye out for your friends and tell me if anything else happens.

Nononono,!
So bad.

Girls that age are lying bitches who gossip and spread rumours. Because they fancy him. Or have taken against him. Maybe both! They are also guilty of stalking by looking at his public social media accounts! Someone somewhere ,(op? Hysterical evil girl? Wants him SACKED for sure. Even though... Whatever).

The reaction to a girl and her friends saying to a mum. 'the girls feel uncomfortable when he watches them doing PE' is really sad.

As I posted about at length earlier. The dismissal of children especially girls as essentially. What they say isn't worth shit. Cos. Bitches. Etc. Well that's served us so well in the past hasn't it.

Laugh it off. Benefit of the doubt. Imagining it. You just fancy him,! You just hate him! Etc etc etc

If he is young as pp have pointed out he should know to have his social media locked down.

And if a child comes and says Mr X makes me feel uncomfortable the way he looks at me... Telling her ^ is a lesson learnt. Ignore your instincts you're wrong. Don't bother me with this again, not interested.

Year after year after year we have read about local sports coaches, celebrities, men of the cloth, teachers, cab drivers, politicians... And on and on and on. Abusing children.

And here in fwr today we have the same old shit rolled out.

Girls are bitches
Girls lie
Girls imagine things
They fancy him
They hate him
They're trying to ruin his life
There's no evidence
You can't trust what girls that age say

And so on and so forth.

Fucking hell. The vitriol and assumptions aimed at girls no one knows vs the total and protection of a man no one knows

Is eye opening.

On the one hand. Mum he makes me and some other girls feel uncomfortable.

On the other hand. Well. All the stuff I just wrote that's assumed about these girls.

Yeah bit shit tbh.

He has done nothing wrong. Nothing.

At worst followed some people on SM.

You are whipping up a storm with NO evidence.

I take safeguarding very seriously as a teacher of 24 years experience in the job.

I also take potential parental bullying serious.

What do you want out of this? What's your claim? What would you say to school management?

Goosefoot like I said. Middle ground.

The prevailing idea in society about girls and sex and what have you is well demonstrated though.

If anything were to happen, the defence has already been written.

'00:34Goosefoot

chickenyhead

And some of us actually learnt the hard way that their creep meter should NEVER be ignored

Maybe you're a savant.'

Just catching up but.. blimey. I'm hoping you misread what she wrote?

@Goosefoot

chickenyhead

And some of us actually learnt the hard way that their creep meter should NEVER be ignored

Maybe you're a savant. **

No, just abused.

Good to see that you grew out of your bullying there!

A lot of these instagram influencers and body builders run in the same circles, so I don't think he would have given much thought to following them, and if it's social media then he'll likely think that as long as it's allowed on the platform, there'll be nothing wrong with it. Probably hasn't crossed his mind that people would find it inappropriate.

The female bodybuilders he follows will be in bikinis exactly because they're bodybuilders. And he's a PE teacher so presumably has an interest in fitness accounts anyway.

I think he needs to be judged on his behaviour at school, and not by who he follows on instagram.

hen=them

I wonder in what order these things happened.

It might well be that he's behaving entirely normally in their lessons, and they only decided that he watched hen in a 'creepy' way after they saw his Instagram.

It can be very thrilling to gossip, and how many of us had absolutely miserable teenage school experiences because of it? Or were drawn into some sort of horrible social bullying? And making up plausible stories was often part of that, and looking for evidence of them to convince yourself, as much as others, wanting to have something exciting to contribute. To be too credible and easily influenced by other girl's opinions.

I've had my teen girls come home with stories about other kids, about teachers, about other kids parents. And while I don't generally dismiss them unless they are obviously impossible, I also always encourage them to try and think about what they have heard, where it came from, or to define their own feelings and question their observations. Not to make them less able to discern problem people, but the opposite, to make them more able to do so. And that's based on my own experiences, which I have a heck of a lot more of than they do including the gift of hindsight.

Maybe you never experienced that kind of thing, but it's common enough that most women I have talked to about it have, and have been hurt by it, or seen someone else hurt.

This man has done nothing wrong. A lot of women on here are projecting their own issues onto him, just stop. It's disgusting how people are demonising this man they don't know based on absolutely nothing. This man hasn't done anything to any of you. Ffs.

And some of us actually learnt the hard way that their creep meter should NEVER be ignored

I know a girl who lives in my area who did topless photo shoots and other modelling. She's now a primary school teacher and and thinks shes the worlds most amazing earth mum. I do always wonder what the school would say if they ever caught site of the pictures 🤔

On the other hand we have had

Girls this age are bitchy and awful
They probably fancy him
They probably have taken against him
They should be told not to gossip (aka take to each other about his behaviour)
They are in the wrong for googling him and looking at his public social media
Etc etc

Don't get it.

Telling kids all this stuff and having society feel like that has not done well by an awful lot of children over the years.

I've said what I think is the thing to do in my first post.

'Obviously a girl or girls getting uncomfortable isn't something you can act on. However, please do say to DD thanks for telling me. Keep an eye out for each other. Trust your instincts.'

Are you reality, originally? If so yes of course I know you! Been here since green fields etc.

'But in those situations you can’t do anything really beyond avoiding being on your own with that person. Which there is no reason for any of these girls to do. What you can’t do is to threaten other people’s jobs due to someone’s vague intuition. '

I think there are situations where students shouldn't be on their own with teachers probably? I mean it depends but a flat out that's ok is, not ok.

Can you point me in the direction of op wanting a sacking? I may have missed that too. Not on form tonight.

No, hopefully not. I just don’t really understand what it is OP and those who agree with her want to happen. She’d already spoken to the HT before posting so she was seeking advice about the girls feeling uncomfortable. What should the HT realistically do about that?

Of course girls should be vigilant and trust their intuition but I’d feel very uncomfortable firing someone without anything of substance at least being alleged

You couldn't fire someone on the basis of feelings.