Amnesty says feminist resistance to self-ID "is misguided and not based on evidence"

Amnesty don't give a shiny shit about women being raped. They appoint care about sexual violence. They are TWAW/SWIW because they view the sexual exploitation of women by men as completely normal and acceptable.

Please do send the evidence. Who knows, you might open at least one pair of eyes at Amnesty.

I have been a member of Amnesty UK for decades . I doubled my monthly subscription last January (still a pitifully small amount) but in light of OP's post I am going to cancel my membership , inform them why and put my money to good use , viz : to establish and maintain the rights of women and girls to privacy , dignity and safety .
Suggestions please , for a suitable trustworthy organisation .

Amnesty for some time has changed their focus from trying to ensure the basics of free political expression for people, and now seems to want to say that every issue that the west currently sees as important must be fought for no matter how alien to their culture.

I tend to think the latter rather undermines the former.

Amnesty also thinks using prostituted women is a human right and got a pump to write their pro prostitution manifesto, so Amnesty can fuck right off. It'll be a cold day in hell before I listen to anything Amnesty has to say on what they think constitutes women's rights.

To think back when I was a student, they were the good guys.

So Amnesty do not understand;

• Safeguarding.
• How crimes are recorded and reported.
• women's right to single sex spaces and services that is based on biology, eg needing a place to deal with menstruation or miscarriage.

And they also believe that sex work is work.

With Ireland's slavish association to the Catholic Church and all its abuses and cover-ups, and long record of barely treating women as human beings (Magdalen laundries, lack of abortion rights until very recently etc), why should anyone look at Ireland as some sort of model of a right thinking/progressive society?

I would urge everyone to listen to "Where is George Gibney" on BBC Sounds. Another massive cover up in Ireland of a child rapist who also happened to be an Olympic level swimming coach. He is still out there, being protected, and his victims continue to suffer. Men train as priests, teachers, sports coaches etc etc to gain access to vulnerable children and women. Heck, Jimmy Saville did it in plain sight. What on earth makes Amnesty think popping on a frock and calling yourself Mary is a bridge too far for an abuser?

I got the same sort of patronising drivel back in 2018 when I cancelled my donations to them. OP did it come signed or just say from 'the supporter relations team' or such?

In their reply to me they said, "I can confirm that your email has been logged as a complaint and your comments will be read by senior management and by our Board." But I never heard anything else from them on the matter...

Feels like we ought to try making sure are voices are heard by the Board and senior management.

we dispute any assertions that self-identification will be used by men in order to access spaces where women are vulnerable to abuse or harassment. There is absolutely no evidence that this would happen.

It already has. And it caused havoc in a town local to me.

But at least this statement by Amnesty gives us a greater insight into their thinking. Maybe we should apply their refusal to consider obvious threats to public safety when they campaign on other issues.

but Amnesty International is committed to campaigning for the rights of transgender people to live freely, authentically, and openly, and to have their gender legally recognised without having to go through a dehumanising, long and costly procedure.

I wouldn’t have a problem with any of this if gender wasn’t mushed together with sex.

Why does there need to be any procedure to live your gender identity? Just do it. Why do you need to be legally recognised unless you want to access spaces meant for the opposite sex?

Amnesty helps to 'advance and protect women's rights' by promoting sex work as a 'human right': www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/jul/28/amnesty-international-prostitution-sex-work-human-trafficking

Reminds me of Ruth Hunt saying that Stonewall did not accept and would never accept that there were any conflicts between women's rights and transactivist demands.

Like, it's one thing to have a naive starting point. But the sustained fingers-in-the-ears approach shows this is not about evidence at all. This is pure ideology and nothing must be allowed to countermand the core tenets of belief.

The fact that they're not listening to women from countries which are subject to self-id doeasn't mean there are no problems, or that those problems aren't provoking discussion. It just means they aren't listening.

There are none so deaf as those who will not hear.

That Amnesty letter is mealy-mouthed toss.

From the letter:

Restricting the rights of transgender people will not advance or protect women's rights.

What's being restricted exactly Amnesty?

Is this the same Amnesty International that won't ever get a penny off me ever again? It sure fucking is.

and we dispute any assertions that self-identification will be used by men in order to access spaces where women are vulnerable to abuse or harassment.

This doesn't even make sense. They're not saying that they dispute men will abuse or harass.

They are saying they are disputing that men will want access to places where women are vulnerable.

Which, self evidently, IS the case. Every single place where women, historically, have had single sex accommodation is only because they are vulnerable.

Men in prison who are applying to be housed in the female estate are, by definition, requesting access to female spaces where women are vulnerable.

Who the fuck wrote that blatant piece of self-serving, deceitful crap??

Is the 'this will never happen' thread extant?
I don't k n ow how to find and paste it for you OP , but it's just What you need!

We've all seen how some of those who want self ID act and speak about women. They have no respect for our boundaries, think rape and death threats are fine, think rapists should be housed with vulnerable women because 'meh, women assault women anyways'. The exact types of people you don't want to be stuck in a small space with.

Why should we have to share a space where we're in vulnerable positions with men who don't even have gender dysphoria, and some a deep hatred for women. Why? I've never seen anyone answer that. And how are transwomen, non binary and 'gender fluids' who are so terrified in the men's going to be any safer in the ladies when the ladies becomes a free for all?

There's also that list blokes who were championing self id and allowing men into our spaces, who were found to be sex offenders. How reassuring for us

But it's impossible, they tells you, IMPOSSIBLE to imagine any predators might use this ideology to their own advantage. That'll never happen. It never has happened, just look into this pretty gaslight...

amnesty - there's no evidence

GC - feminists here is some evidence...and here...and here...and here and here and here and here...

amnesty - not like that

Does no organisation employ people with critical thinking skills these days

Oh, I see.

Can anyone point me to the evidence from Argentina that violence against women is well recorded and that any effort is being made to measure the impact of self-ID? It keeps being raised by organisations as a benchmark, but I haven't seen any statistics.

Their evidence is lots of medium articles and tweets saying 'There is no evidence this is a problem'. Maybe a few hashtags.

Don't bother them with actual incidents. This is not relevant evidence, especially if it means men don't get their way. Besides, even if it did happen, it only happened to women and that's not that important, because these hazards are just part and parcel of the support human role.

Is there a template letter to amnesty with stats etc? My writing isn’t the best but would love to give them some feedback on their policy. It just makes no sense.

You should ask them for the research that was done before and after the law change in Argentina and Ireland. It would be great to know what evidence they have seen which shows that there is no impact on women and also which harms to women were considered in that research.