Amnesty says feminist resistance to self-ID "is misguided and not based on evidence"

I wrote they're when I meant their in my post above, Goosefoot solidarity

Shit - I mean "their real problem" obviously. Not there

It's going outside of freedom of conscience concerns that is there real problem. As soon as they started trying to tell countries that they needed to recognise other rights that are fairly indirect to that - even if the population as a whole strongly supported them - they were in trouble. And had a good chance of getting into self-contradictory advocacy.

The person who tweeted that are probably unaware of how much they're privilege is limiting their view. They probably don't think they know anyone who has barriers to accessing the kind of euphemistic and coy language they advocate. It excludes some women for whom English isn't a first language, or who have learning disabilities, as just two examples. Just because their experience doesn't include these women, it doesn't mean those women don't matter. It's such an exclusionary point of view.

I am very literal and definitely need phrases like "women's rights" to understand what is being spoken about.

I agree. The other phrase is very vague. To me.

I saw this on a Twitter discussion. I am very literal and definitely need phrases like "women's rights" to understand what is being spoken about. Plain language is so important.

If I saw a discussion on "reproductive rights" I would think it meant anyone's right to reproduce. Which would definitely include men not being sterilised or castrated against their will.

WHY has Amnesty changed the language? Following Stonewall orders? or is it a deliberate move to get 945 replies instead of the usual 4 replies?? why remove 'woman' after using the word woman before? see the earlier tweets on abortions in Poland.

tweet:
Amnesty International @amnesty
23 Oct
Women and other people who might need abortions in Poland have sustained attacks against their rights again and again, and will not stop fighting for their right to abortion care. We stand with them every step of the way. #Poland

Amnesty International @amnesty
26 Oct
Women and other people who might need abortions in #Poland have sustained attacks against their rights again and again, and will not stop fighting for their right to abortion care. We stand with them every step of the way.

Amnesty EU @AmnestyEU
23 Oct
Women in #Poland
We hear you Ear
We see youEyes
Until you get your fundamental rights Hourglass with flowing sand
We stand with you
#StrajkKobiet

Also this tweet

Amnesty International @amnesty
20 Oct
summoning circle, hope this works

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Suzanne Moore tweet:
And this is where the gender woo goes. Amnesty cannot say ‘ I stand with women in Poland’ you know the people who actually need abortions . I won’t donate to an organisation that cannot name me

Janice Turner tweet:
"Women in Poland are fighting to save their reproductive rights. Women die in backstreet abortions. Women are forced to carry unviable foetuses to full term. Amnesty International can’t even say the word “women”. Language matters. If you can’t name a thing, how can you fight it?"

So your official strategy and policy, Amnesty, is to give them even more opportunities? Got it.

It's shameful isn't it? I used to donate monthly, but I stopped in 2015 over their sex worker policy.

Yes Shag.

Money needs to flow to charities that truly focus on girls and women.

The reality is that men who abuse women already have plenty of existing opportunities to do so

So your official strategy and policy, Amnesty, is to give them even more opportunities? Got it.

Blue

I bet most of their donations come from women, conditioned to be always thinking of other people. Time for all GC women to abandon these women hating charities

Yes.

Women really do not matter.

I bet most of their donations come from women, conditioned to be always thinking of other people. Time for all GC women to abandon these women hating charities.

When I pushed Amnesty on this point after cancelling my 20yr+ monthly donation one of the rebuttals they gave was the Forth Valley Rape Crisis! (Mridul Wadhwa)
As for this glorious response to the misuse of self ID
“The reality is that men who abuse women already have plenty of existing opportunities to do so”
... from a bloody Human Rights Organisation

I think Amnesty are very clear about what they think of women these days.

Here's Amnesty standing with 'People in Poland'

Which 'people' do they mean? Because some 'people' have decided some other 'people' are not allowed abortions. If only there was a word to differentiate between these types of 'people', a way to define the 'people' being forced in to giving birth, we'd know if Amnesty were standing with the right ones...

Really not the master of the highlight lol

This thread made me think more about strategic ignorance. Amnesty (amongst many others) are claiming there is no evidence in the face of evidence that exists. Thinking that they are benefiting from ignoring evidence of women's abuse is depressing.

This New Humanist interview is with the author of a book that came out this year called The Unknowers: How strategic ignorance rules the world by sociologist Linsey McGoey. I'm hopeful that McGoey is not in the Hines category of sociology and is familiar with the concept of sound evidence and reason to make an argument.

newhumanist.org.uk/articles/5534/ignorance-really-is-blissful-especially-for-the-powerful

The interview starts off with a short then longer definition of what strategic ignorance is thought to be.

*I define strategic ignorance as "the ability to exploit the unknowns in any environment in order to gain or to maintain power". But there’s a longer answer. The long answer is that it is defined in two main, different ways in the social sciences. Behavioural economists and psychologists, on the one hand, tend to define strategic ignorance in a psychological way. They see it as the personal avoidance of inconvenient or uncomfortable facts.

Sociologists and historians, on the other hand, usually view it more in line with my definition above. They view strategic ignorance as both an individual and a collective phenomenon. This helps to underscore the role of institutional power and institutional actors in preventing inconvenient facts from becoming more widely known or accepted.*

Anyhow food for thought.

I think we all need to campaign to get these NGOs out of Government and out of the lobby room of ministers.

They are a dreadful organisation now. In 1977 they were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize with the Irish Peace Movement. It was awarded on the basis
'Amnesty International fights for man’s right to freedom of conscience, in other words, to a life in “internal” peace.'
They are now another organisations drunk on the delusion of their own righteousness and misogynist.

In 2010, the human rights activistGita Sahgal was suspended from Amnesty after criticising its links with Cage. It chose to support Cage rather than listen to one of its respected staff. Of course they've severed their links now.

It's bullying management style has also been exposed following the suicide of a member of staff.

Here's Amnesty standing with 'People in Poland'