Johnny Depp loses libel case against The Sun

I'm always fascinated by the psychology of superfans who won't believe (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary) that their hero can do any wrong.

Why?

Rampant libido? (No one I fancy could possibly be a wrong 'un.) Some sort of strange refusal to engage with reality, preferring a fictional world at all costs? Or are they male superfans who quite like a bit of wife-beating themselves?

Baffling.

If you read the judgment the court literally finds it is true that he’s a wife beater. The paper won on the defence of truth. This is why I am able to say he is a wife beater, and that it’s true. You don’t need to be found guilty of a criminal offence in order for it to be true, or a fact, that you committed that offence. For example, there was a really horrible case a while ago where a man was found to have killed a baby. However it was impossible to convict him for the child’s death because the police had messed up the investigation and no trial was possible - all the evidence was gone. So it’s true that he killed the baby, but it also true that he is not a convicted child killer.

A significant part of Depp's case relied on the argument that he was "only" violent to Amber in response to her behaviour. He admitted being violent to her. His claim was that it wasn't his fault and therefore he should not have been described as a wife beater. The judge not only disbelieved Depp's account of the relationship, he also found that regardless of whether or not Amber provoked him or behaved badly, he was violent towards her and that therefore the "wife beater" epithet was not libellous.

Sure, if this came before a criminal court with a jury they might find differently, although given Depp admitted violence it may well not end up in trial. And to dismiss the decision of a senior High Court judge who made very clear factual findings on the balance of probability is really clutching at straws.

Wrong.

It doesn't make him criminally guilty of beating Amber, but it's still true that he's a wife beater.

The ignorance on this thread is astounding.

Depp has not been found guilty of beating Amber. There has been no charges, no criminal trial, no jury.

This was a CIVIL case in which ONE judge found it more likely than not. ie 51% probability that Johnny beat Amber.

That does not make him guilty.

If everyone just read the judgment ( I know it's long) you would see this idea of 'she attacked him first' is just untrue. Depp deployed two defences - 1) he was the victim of domestic abuse and he retaliated in self defence 2) these incidents were part of an 'insurance policy' by Heard where she would goad him into saying and doing things, which would then later make him look bad so she could blackmail him for money. The judge says neither of these are true. If you read the 14 instances of violence, it is clear that Heard is the victim of unprovoked attacks by Depp. This entire story that she was the one who cast the first stone etc was found to be FALSE.

Some people seem to have trouble separating Johnny Depp from from Jack Sparrow.

Exactly.

One's a scruffy, odd looking, inadequate specimen who drinks far too much and the other is a fictional pirate for gawd's sake..

The judge found that 14 out of the 16 instances were true.

And that his findings didn't mean the remaining incidences weren't true.

Some people seem to have trouble separating Johnny Depp from from Jack Sparrow.

This is like accepting the "I accidentally fell and penetrator her while she was asleep" line. How do you accidentally headbutt someone hard enough to give them 2 black eyes?

I'm sorry, I don't agree with the narrative that he was the first aggressor.
Oh fgs
Noone says he was first aggressor
The case was about whether or not it was reasonable to call him a wife beater. They found it was.
He was abusive to her. There is no excuse. It wasn't self defence. It doesn't matter what she did. He was abusive.

Her story and his are very different. In court the judge agreed with her, yet many people insist she caused it all, on the basis of nothing.
Shocking sexism really.

Depp admitted to accidentally headbutting her as she was attacking him. He should of left a long time ago but he didn't, that's on him, agreed. Again, I can see what is being played out here, regardless of sex. I understand a lot of women feel vidicated with this trial but honestly, it's she who threw the first stone, in fact, many stones before he retaliated, as you see many battered wives do. She saw his vulnerability regarding drugs (similar thing happened to me) and capitalised on it. I'm sorry, I don't agree with the narrative that he was the first aggressor.

What are you talking about? His whole defence was that she provoked him!
He headbutted her for flips sake

and if she did do something it was clearly provoked by him and how he was behaving...
Now swap the pronouns and you sound just like the other people we condem had it been the other way around. So he 'provoked her', that's a really sad sentence to see tbh.

I'm sorry but as someone who has been on the recieving end of an abuser for a long time, it seems to me that JD was abused himself first and it's quite possible that he then abused back. I have followed this story extensively and also listened to the recordings. What he should of done is leave but he didn't, and in the end he's made a mess for himself. It saddens me that as feminist's, we are not willing to say a man here has been on the recieving end of violence first and it was a woman who has done this. I'm not defending his actions but take a serious look at the many documents and audio tracks pertaining to this before making comments.

You can think he was abusive without going down the St Amber road

And yes we can at least go off their own public statements and recordings. I didn’t realise saying anything uncomplimentary about Amber made me a Depp defender though.

I didn’t mean to libel her but if what I did constitutes that then there must be a whole load of libel on here. Even Johnny now hasn’t been convicted of anything. But did lose a case against a party he said libelled him. My comments were based on gossip and other news stories unrelated to Depp like we all go off. There are public records involving police. None of us know them personally so can’t exactly be certain personally.

The abuse Amber is getting is awful tho whatever people may think she did or didn't do, he was the one who lost a case. And people like Sharon Osborne trying to normalise the behaviour - fuck off!

Danielle Ratcliffe?

If JK is here, does anyone have any idea who could replace the twat?

David Tennant?

[quote ChazsBrilliantAttitude]He has been dropped from Fantastic Beasts
Johnny Depp leaves Fantastic Beasts film franchise www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54846285[/quote]
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