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Imnobody4 · 01/11/2020 12:09

Call for Applications: Consultancy on UK Radical Anti-Gender Organizing | GATE
gate.ngo/anti-gender-uk-consultancy

The main goal of this consultancy is to increase international awareness on current challenges posed by radical anti-gender movements to trans people’s human rights in the United Kingdom. Its objectives include:

Mapping radical anti-gender movements in the UK.
Identifying key radical anti-gender approaches to trans issues in the UK.
Analyzing the real and potential impact of radical anti-gender organizing on trans people’s human rights in the UK.
Identifying key entry points for international solidarity.
Scope of Work and Deliverables
The consultant will:

Engage with GATE’s team on anti-gender organizing.
Produce an expert and accessible paper on radical anti-gender organizing against trans people in the UK.

Maya's thread on Twitter deals with funding of this org and it's origins.
twitter.com/MForstater/status/1322679833411944449?s=09

OP posts:
merrymouse · 01/11/2020 17:52

Yes, I'm anti gender, I feel it's an outmoded social construct best left in the 1950s. So what?!

And why would you need to pay somebody to work that out?

It would be a step forward if they were genuinely interested in understanding UK equality legislation. However, given that they haven't noticed that 'indigenous' has different connotations in Europe, that seems unlikely.

nancywhisky · 01/11/2020 17:51

@GoudaGirl

I am 3% Neanderthal according to my DNA analysis- does that count as ethnic?? Also a Viking sister at 12%. Does that count?? Can I be indigenous twice and have 2 goes? Love to know what indigenous means as the 'UK' is a recent development in really historical terms assuming they technically mean post ice age when the sea levels rose to form the geographical landmass they allude to! If so anything goes!
Which DNA analysis did you use? Im thinking about this as a christmas present. Looking for recommendations.
BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 01/11/2020 17:51

Full commitment to trans people’s human rights

I'm committed to everyone's human rights. I just don't think they include scaring women out of their own toilets, performing smear tests on unwilling women, or forcing your children to call you mum when you are in fact their dad.

MissMarplesGlove · 01/11/2020 17:47

I'm old enough to remember when being anti-gender was considered de riguer for a feminist, rather than being thrown around as some kind of euphamistic insult

feminists are by definition anti gender you nitwits!

Yeah, me too.

And I'm pretty indigenous - coat of arms from around the 1500s (although that probably means we're those bastard French invaders), and there's some Welsh in there as well - one of my Welsh great-great-uncles was the 7th son of the 7th son ...

We should all apply as a job share.

Escapeplanning · 01/11/2020 17:46

Just when I think I can hold no more contempt for this disgusting country and its leaders they give me reason to find more.
You have missed the point that it's an American organisation recruiting in New York then?

SittingAround1 · 01/11/2020 17:44

One of the requirements for the applicant is :
Full commitment to trans people’s human rights
So no chance of an unbiased report then.
What's the betting Mumsnet radicalisation portal will feature quite heavily in the research.

nachthexe · 01/11/2020 17:41

@SuperLoudPoppingAction

Indigenous seems to be the new trendy word that has replaced 'diasporic'- both generally used out of context in a way that makes my teeth itch.
I miss the diaspora.

Also.
Well, there’s the roads...

When I saw the thread title I assumed it was the Morgane Oger one where they were advertising for people with hacking (I mean programming) knowledge to do the same thing with social media tracking.
Think Morgane has been a bit busy losing votes to follow up though. I’d love to know how the recruiting went.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 01/11/2020 17:40

When they find out all the orgs are crowd funded by ordinary U.K. women (and a few men) will they actually publish that or just make shit up to keep their grift going?

I had to think for, ooh, about 1.5 seconds about that. Actually, no I didn't. Judging from their usual tactics, I think we all know the answer!

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 01/11/2020 17:38

I know RuffleCrow, I'm old enough to remember when being anti-gender was considered de riguer for a feminist, rather than being thrown around as some kind of euphamistic insult

feminists are by definition anti gender you nitwits!

SulisMinerva · 01/11/2020 17:31

Most people of north-west European ancestry are a mix of the same tribes/peoples in different proportions.
Apparently, I share some dna with Cheddar Man which takes me very far back. Also have a good chunk of Neanderthal dna so I can tick the indigenous box quite happily. Grin

RuffleCrow · 01/11/2020 17:26

Just the fact that they're calling us anti-gender says it all!

Yes, I'm anti gender, I feel it's an outmoded social construct best left in the 1950s. So what?!

BlackeyedSusan · 01/11/2020 17:26

I fit the description of Boudicca, does that count me in as indigenous.

Maybe we should all contact them and ask. piss them right off

DreadPirateLuna · 01/11/2020 17:25

Helen Lewis's article on America's culture wars seems relevant here:
www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/10/internet-world-trapped-americas-culture-war/616799/

Aesopfable · 01/11/2020 17:20

But why not Chinese or Japanese then?

ChasedByFox · 01/11/2020 17:19

"Asian" to Americans means Chinese and Japanese though. Itt doesn't mean people from Pakistan, India and Bangladesh as it does in the UK.

Right, my woad is in place, and I've brushed my red hair out of my eyes- indigenous person here...

EmpressJKRowlingSpartacus · 01/11/2020 17:18

Also a Viking sister at 12%. Does that count??

Nah, Vikings are incomers.

One of my grandparents was a Cockney...

PostItJoyWeek · 01/11/2020 17:03

Healthcare rights for NI women have been in the press a lot lately. I don't think she means those rights though.

DreadPirateLuna · 01/11/2020 16:58

Ellen (she/her) is a Northern Irish trans human rights activist specializing in healthcare rights, accessibility, and international human rights mechanisms.

You'd think a Northern Irish activist would be a bit more reticent about the word "indigenous" and the dangers of tribalism.

DPs were from NI but mixed marriage (one of the reasons they went to England, where I was born), not sure if I'm "indigenous" to either island.

Don't know of any "Latinx" people. One of my friends has a Spanish Dad and is bilingual; does she count?

ArabellaScott · 01/11/2020 16:58

@MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes

FFS we really are living in a tinpot little totalitarian dictatorship.

Can’t feed people, can’t house people, sold off any thing in public ownership, next thing they’ll be selling off the farmland itself. But how dare we complain about any of that? You know the real problem? Bloody women protesting against sexism.

Have they even realised that anti-gender means against sexism, and being against anti-gender is to be openly in favour of sexism? How far I their linguistic tunnels can they go before they lose track of the whole concept of meaning, let alone specific instances of it?

Just when I think I can hold no more contempt for this disgusting country and its leaders they give me reason to find more.

I can't disagree, but my impression is this is US funded research, for some reason in the US' brave new feminist utopia they are really worried about why UK women are complaining about off-label drugs being given to children who don't conform to sex stereotypes, male rapists being housed in women's prisons, and all-women shortlists allowing males on them. [shrugs]

[cough] don't anyone mention cultural imperialism [cough].

Dear wonderful women of Mumsnet: Should we all jointly apply for this? Form a committee of some kind, I'm sure we can cover all bases mentioned? Or are we not allowed to break the 4th wall?

Witchprickers, beware - if you stare into the abyss for long enough .... Shock

GoudaGirl · 01/11/2020 16:55

I am 3% Neanderthal according to my DNA analysis- does that count as ethnic?? Also a Viking sister at 12%. Does that count?? Can I be indigenous twice and have 2 goes? Love to know what indigenous means as the 'UK' is a recent development in really historical terms assuming they technically mean post ice age when the sea levels rose to form the geographical landmass they allude to! If so anything goes!

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 01/11/2020 16:51

Its objectives include:

Mapping radical anti-gender movements in the UK
assuming by anti-gender they mean pro women's rights, then I think most people here can help them out with that. I'll just need to check my bank statements tbh

Identifying key radical anti-gender approaches to trans issues in the UK
holding meetings where women talk to each other, writing to our MPs and funding legal challenges to institutional over-reach. radical eh?

Analyzing the real and potential impact of radical anti-gender organizing on trans people’s human rights in the UK
This is really going to depend on your definition of human rights. If it's 'be male in women's single sex spaces', then sad times lie ahead

Identifying key entry points for international solidarity
where can we spend our dollars to best crush the uppity women?

I am so indigenous that the only halloween costume I can wear without being accused of cultural appropriation is a morris dancer, or possibly a pearly queen

I can answer all the questions too, so I'm definitely applying

Clymene · 01/11/2020 16:39

Wow, this is a thorough recruitment process. 5 days to evaluate applications, interview, presumably go through right to work in the U.K. checks, accept and start the new job.

MissMarplesGlove · 01/11/2020 16:38

Joking aside, this is really scary.

Remember when suffragettes were not allowed to speak? A hundred years later, we really are being overwhelmed by a tidal wave of misogyny.

Aesopfable · 01/11/2020 16:31

next thing they’ll be selling off the farmland itself

That would be the inclosure act 1773

BlueCatRedCat · 01/11/2020 16:29

'anti gender radicals' are impacting on transgender people's human rights.

At what stage did belief in biological sex become a radical idea, akin to believing Hitler had a point? I'm sick of being told I'm a radical. We have let these people claim a "moral" high ground they have consistently failed to back up with science, history or societal data. We need to re-position them back to the position of being radicals, because our position is the position that the vast majority believe, and which can be proven by a millennia of human existence.

I'm not surprised they don't want to hear from Asians. These are, by and large, the immigrant success story. They pay attention to their lessons, and end up working in scientific fields; they live within traditional familial set ups, and make the most of their New World opportunities. They are not naval gazers seeped in victimhood. They are not ripe for the picking.