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The Future of Legal Gender - Should state law withdraw from registering and assigning sex?

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NonnyMouse1337 · 01/11/2020 09:22

There are a number of events being held every Friday by The Future of Legal Gender which seems a spin off project by something called L/G/B/T.

futureoflegalgender.kcl.ac.uk/events-and-public-and-policy-engagements/

The next one is Should state law withdraw from registering and assigning sex? The feminist politics of decertification and prefigurative law reform, 11 Nov 2020 at 4pm.

Seems like you join via the Zoom link. Might be of interest.

Abstract
This talk explores decertification as a speculative law reform proposal. In decertification, the state withdraws from registering, assigning, or guaranteeing a person’s sex and gender, giving one shape to the growing momentum towards their informalisation. Reforming how state law
responds to sex/ gender has become a highly controversial issue. In this talk, I explore three questions, drawing from research conducted as part of a feminist ESRC funded project, The Future of Legal Gender. They are:

  1. Why might decertification be a good idea?
  2. What concerns does it raise; and how might they be addressed?
  3. What are the strengths and challenges of prefigurative law reform research, which rehearses and attends to a proposal not yet on the law reform table?

The project seems part of a group / org that goes by the name L/G/B/T or Law/Gender/Body/Texts.
www.lawgenderbodytexts.com/

Other events (register at Eventbrite):

Fri, 13 November 2020
16:00 – 17:00 GMT
‘Ultra-Texts’ Beyond Gender. Multimodality, Intertextuality and Transmediality as Resources to Contest Gendered Binarisms

Fri, 20 November 2020
16:00 – 17:00 GMT
Gender variant bodies : stories of spaces and places

Fri, 27 November 2020
16:00 – 17:00 GMT
Rethinking gender through disability

Fri, 4 December 2020
16:00 – 17:00 GMT
Prefiguring the law

Fri, 11 December 2020
16:00 – 17:00 GMT
Dismantling the false dichotomy between women’s rights and trans' rights

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NiceGerbil · 06/11/2020 02:30

Don't get it.

Do they think that babies who were born in the past before registration had no sex/ no one knew what it was?

What about tracking if sex selective abortion is happening? Or conditions that are sex specific?

Do doctors have to pretend they don't know the sex of anyone under 18 or whatever, how does that work then?

In schools in summer how will teachers I'd those at risk of fgm?

I mean there's loads of stuff.

What is gained? Especially when everyone knows what sex the sodding baby is anyway, the vast vast majority of the time.

TigerBrite · 05/11/2020 23:25

But state law doesn’t assign sex. You’re just born with a sex, it isn’t assigned to you.

FWRLurker · 05/11/2020 23:18

I think it’s a good idea to take sex off of drivers licenses to help passing trans people not be outed when they buy a drink. I can’t think of any good reason for sex to be on a picture ID but maybe I’m missing something. In any case, changing (falsifying) a birth certificate shouldn’t be allowed. In addition someone’s sex shouldn’t be required for quite as many documents. I’m not sure about passports.

Beyond that I think it’s still a good idea to keep record of (bio) sex because there are some times when it’s important to verify it. For example which prison people should go to, what sports they are eligible for, etc.

Keeping track of whether people are male or female, and whether they are gay or trans is important for some health and equality related circumstances as well - but that can be done via privately asking people in those contexts, and via census and related survey.

NonnyMouse1337 · 05/11/2020 23:02

@howonearthdidwegethere

These people are absolutely twonks.
Yeah I figured attending their talks will be a test of endurance, but I'm going to give it a go. Halloween Shock

Only going to two of them. Not sure I could handle all of the gobbledygook....

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howonearthdidwegethere · 05/11/2020 21:48

These people are absolutely twonks.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/11/2020 19:24

Here they are whining about the responses they got to their poorly constructed, confusing survey

futureoflegalgender.kcl.ac.uk/2019/09/20/engendering-criticism-reflection-on-feedback-to-our-attitudes-to-gender-survey/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/11/2020 19:21

These people have approx 750k public money to carry out this ridiculous "project".

Antibles · 05/11/2020 17:21

@Whatsnewpussyhat

It's just bollocks. We all fucking know that males will continue to use, abuse and oppress females even if they pretend there is no such thing as sex. We just won't allowed to point out that it's the ones with the penises doing it. Because we ALL know sex exists.
This.

A couple of years ago another poster said that they thought this was one of the end goals of this whole movement. Remove legal demarcations of male/female and you can oppress 50% of your population again on grounds of their sex as much as you like but it's not legally visible anymore.

Ban us from referring to our class identifier 'woman' and we can't talk about our oppression as members of that class anymore.

It's literally George Orwell's Newspeak, in which words to describe things and concepts are outlawed one by one by the Party so nobody can talk about their oppression. It is actually happening in front of our eyes! It seems unbelievable but it's actual totalitarian (and very male) control emerging twistily from a supposed democracy like a cobra from a basket.

RuffleCrow · 05/11/2020 16:54

Let's all sign up and show this nonsense up for what it is.

MichelleofzeResistance · 05/11/2020 16:50

Having just read some of that blurb on the links...

ffs. Go and conceive of whatever you want and explore your navels to your heart's content. Just stop dismantling everyone else's world to better fit your very special visions. Fuck off with that. And with your 'false dichotomies'.

You are pissing on my leg, it is not raining.

NonnyMouse1337 · 05/11/2020 16:25

Bumping up - next week on Wednesday at 4pm.

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 01/11/2020 10:07

I suspect this will be their next move ...

Whatsnewpussyhat · 01/11/2020 10:02

It's just bollocks.
We all fucking know that males will continue to use, abuse and oppress females even if they pretend there is no such thing as sex. We just won't allowed to point out that it's the ones with the penises doing it.
Because we ALL know sex exists.

Vermeil · 01/11/2020 09:49

Some of those sound like parody, only I know they’re not.
Anyway, it’s a ridiculous idea, and would only work in a country with a very small state apparatus, and no socialised medicine, so any gender reassignment would have to be paid for by the individual concerned.
I’m sure there’ll be lots of wokesters nodding along to the idea, but I’ll be surprised if the inevitable negative repercussions will be considered at all. For instance, if there’s no gender in law, then anyone is free to discriminate against anyone else on those grounds with no repercussions?