Women win guarantee over female only public lavatories - the Times

There isn't a single post of yours that I've seen that gives the impression that you think women are humans that deserve any dignity or respect.

I'm sorry but I don't think the gender critical movement represents women, or even most women. It is a small subset of feminism which has become amplified by a much larger group of Conservatives. I think the gender critical movement is actually dangerous for women. You only have to look at Poland, where the misogynist ruling party rose to power after preaching of the dangers of gender ideology to see that.

I'm expecting that other poster to pop up and tell us that trans women are actually psychologically the same as women (because dresses, passivity and pamperedness?) and so should be treated identically to women any minute now (and refuse to give any evidence to back this up)

Are they still breathing?

Jj if you really want to be treated like a woman then get used to people thinking you don't have the right to say no and that nothing you say or do is important. Expecting women to do everything you want is a very male attitude.

There isn't a single post of yours that I've seen that gives the impression that you think women are humans that deserve any dignity or respect.

Transwomen are male, if they were female they wouldn't be trans. Having transwomen in female spaces make them mixed sex, it doesn't matter that it's not 50% it's still mixed sex. Safeguarding is putting in rules which affect everyone to make sure that you catch the minority that want to cause harm. Keeping all males out of female spaces regardless of identity is the most effective way of keeping women safe

Transwomen who are heterosexual males are just as dangerous to women as other males. Unless you have evidence which proves otherwise?

The gaslighting on this thread is quite something. Men really, really don’t like women who don’t comply do they.

Sexnotgender

Don't bother linking anything. jj won't take it in anyway it seems.

Obviously, this is just like the women's rugby issue. There is anecdotal evidence of injuries being caused but a) not reported and b) the facts are obfuscated by collection of data by gender. So, the result is, there is nothing by women telling their stories and that is completely ignored.

Facefullofcake

And given many trans women, possibly as many as half, are in your eyes gay men, then that in itself should cause you to think perhaps offending patterns are different.

Trans inclusive policies in not mixed sex refuges/hostels/rape crisis/mental health women's services etc put me at risk. I am not able to use such a service alongside trans women service users or providers because of the (proven) detrimental impact on my mental health of being around males when I am extremely vulnerable
I don't care whether or not you like that tbh.

that is regarded as quite bizarre, regressive and deeply prejudiced by most feminists overseas.

There's certainly some very hard work going on by males to try and paint female people wanting to keep their rights or even be allowed to talk about their rights as 'bizarre, regressive and deeply prejudiced'

(And yep, there's that word I've been dropping into posts boomeranging back.)

I think I'm done with this thread, I have all the information I could possibly need and more besides. Thanks jj, it's been a real education.

But you're muddled, I think.

The overwhelming take from this thread is that feminists would be very pleased to see more unisex facilities.

If that wouldn't meet whatever it is you're after, campaign for the toilet arrangement that you'd like

Just do we are clear that women's spaces are just for us.

Gay men aren't trying to get into female only spaces.

And I’ll claim whatever I like, just in the same way you do JJ, your male privilege is VERY obvious...

Cool story bro😂

Adding transwomen to women’s facilities is absolutely making them mixed sex.

I do believe you’ve been asked several times now how to tell the difference between a man and a transwomen?

Uppity UK women say no.
Deal with it.

[quote Sexnotgender]Mixed sex facilities a risk to women.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html%3famp[/quote]
I asked for evidence that trans inclusive policies pose a risk not mixed sex policies. And they are not the same before you claim otherwise. Mixed sex environments are likely to be 50% men. Trans inclusive women's spaces are likely to be 0.3% trans women.

I’m tired and can’t be arsed to find it right now though.

"Luckily however there is published evidence into the risk of trans inclusion which has concluded that trans inclusive policies do not place women at risk."

Does anyone remember the trans woman heading a secure unit (iirc) who was in charge of collating data from detained women about whether they feel safe from sexual harm - perceived or actual - while there? I think I remember statements about how their gender identity couldn't impact the responses they would get...
Off topic, but it just sprang to mind.

Transwomen are members of the group which commit 98% of all sexual assaults so unless you have evidence to exclude them I believe the evidence already exists that as males they are a danger to women.