Women win guarantee over female only public lavatories - the Times

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The largest survey of trans people in history found that 0.6% of trans people (139 respondants) had been sexually assaulted in a toilet in the last year. Unfortunately this isn;t broken down between trans women and trans men but it does point out that trans women of colour were the most at risk group. Presumably the vast majority of these assaults took place when trans women used men's toilets.

Why are you assuming this when you keep telling us that male bodied transgender people use the women’s toilets? How do you know where those assaults took place and on whom? It makes quite a difference whether they were born female or male (as at least one poor transman has found out, the man committing the rape didn’t care what the ‘gender identity’ was - they just knew that the person was of the sex they wanted to rape.

this argument given it is based on how people look.

You are the only one making that argument. We are talking about sex.

"On average, all four systems were most accurate with photos of cisgender women (those born female and identifying as female), getting their gender right 98.3 per cent of the time. They also categorised cisgender men accurately 97.6 per cent of the time."

1.7% of women getting potentially harassed for using the wrong toilet is a lot of women. And I expect many humans would be far worse at this then a computer.

No Faceful, I'm referring to Ann Ruyzlo in the video I linked upthread. She's quite happy to tell you she's been mistaken for a man every day of her life. Watch the video and see what a 19 year old protégé did to her when she got voted in as a women's officer in the Labour party.

eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2019/10/facial-recognition-tech-struggles-to-identify-transgender-people/

In a surprise to just about nobody, facial recognition software almost always 'misgenders' (correctly sexes) people.

*stilettos

Women who don't either look like 50s housewives on a spree, Barbie, or floozies with big hair, scarlet nails and six-inch stiletoes, I suspect,
PearPickingPorky.

What are "gender non-conforming women", jj?

Anyway when we're at the stage where the experience of women like Anne is misused so hideously by posters I really have nothing left to add. There's nothing about women that can't be dragged into the service of men on these boards and it's absolute proof of the utter disregard.

“I'm genuinely curious, has anyone on this thread come across a male presenting man in a woman's toilets who claimed to be a trans woman? Has it ever happened anywhere in the world? Is it really something people should be worried about?”

Yes, I work in the town centre and there are several TW who think they can put on a long wig and that gives them the right to enter the women’s toilets. The little old ladies in M&S get very upset and intimidated by them. They complain to the staff but they have been told (incorrectly) that they can’t stop the members of the opposite sex from using the loos.

I feel very sorry for the ladies. There’s one or two feisty ones that make their feelings known but most just leave the loos.

So if I were to show you a picture of Paris Lees and a picture of Brian Blessed and asked you which one was a trans women you'd act all confused and declare it's simply impossible to tell would you? Do you not think that is just a touch disingenuous?

What is disengenuous about the factual statement that TW are male in female toilets? They are there as males. They are present there as males. They are present the only way they can be, as male.

Because you make no sense at all. Women who are momentarily confused with men are not a comparator with men trying to look like women in any way shape or form.

All TW are male presenting in the women's toilets. All over the world, every time.

I'm genuinely curious, has anyone on this thread come across a male presenting man in a woman's toilets who claimed to be a trans woman? Has it ever happened anywhere in the world? Is it really something people should be worried about?

*got, not 'not'

I clearly cross posted - I'm on a rubbish phone - unlike your posher one. I bet you're down south too - you probably not a fraction of a second's worth of extra time privilege on top.
(That's how this all works in your world, right?)

My opinion still stands, based on everything I've read of your posts over the past while.

Apologies Facefullofcake This was directed at the sentiment of the thread rather than you personally.

It's entirely your sentiment and definitely not that of the thread. You are confused again.