Women win guarantee over female only public lavatories - the Times

Don't be silly, JJ. We do not have to stick our bust out for people to know we're women. As much as you like to think it, it's not the case.

Perhaps you're not aware of this, and given your track record, it wouldn't surprise me, but flat-chested women have used public conveniences since they were invented.

HTH.

So do you have anything to say to the gender nonconforming women who don't want this and believe it will put them at risk of harassment? Are they acceptable collateral damage?

jj where are all these gender non conforming women who, as you say, argue against toilets based on birth sex because they are 'bad for women'? You still haven't provided any evidence that there are 'plenty' of these women.

Well, according to jj women will have to stick their bust out, and presumably, men will have to stick their penis out, in order for everyone to recognise exactly what sex they are so they don't make some hideous public convenience faux pas.

Or.

Just do what you've been asked and use the facilities designated for your sex.

Its a conundrum.

Has anyone else been laughing helplessly through a large number of posts on thsi thread, all of them by the same poster?

Thanks for cheering me up on a day I'm waiting to find out whether a country with 300,000,000 inhabitants is coming to its senses after a four-year fever-dream, jjjwosssit.

Funny how the whole of patrarchy is on your side

Why would a business provide toilets if they were at risk of being sued/prosecuted if someone with the wrong genitals were to use them.

Cos otherwise they won't have any customers? Or a business, livelihood or any money.

Just a wild guess tho.

🥞🥞💄👄 before you go 🚾

Why would a business provide toilets if they were at risk of being sued/prosecuted if someone with the wrong genitals were to use them.

Someone has an extremely vivid imagination.

if someone with the wrong genitals were to use them.

No-one has the "wrong" genitals.

Just like Pandora and Eve, women are the root of all evil.

We’re a right wing minority allegedly but gosh, look at the influence we seem to have!

Pat Robertson predicted this in 1992 you know

“Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.”

Maybe JJ is a fan of his?

to the socially expected appearance of those born female

It's fascinating to look at the clauses jj writes as they are incomprehensible. What is a socially expected appearance? That you are wearing clothes? Your sex characteristics aren't exposed? Your bum crack isn't showing? Is builders bum male only or equal opportunity? We should be told.

I mean, it's the height of enough. How much more can we bear? Not only are we single handed responsible for decimating the fashion industry, the entertainment industry, and the tech industry, together with ensuring that no one who is trans or any of their friends or family come here, we now how to stick our tits out in the toilet???

The answer's still no jj.

Enn. Oh.

Good day.

My last was following on from Datun's post about us being a global pariah for not indulging male whims.

If you read that autostraddle piece there's lots of women in the comments talking about pushing their chests out and trying to look feminine when using women's toilets because they are worried about being accused of being men.

Hahaha!! I'm genuinely wetting myself. That's fricken hilarious.

I've just asked my daughter if she sticks her bust out when going to the loo, lest she be accused of being a bloke. 🤣🤣🤣

And I've warned her, that the solution, when she no doubt starts to do that, will be to have mixed sex loos!!

And all because some males don't have the decency to respect women's boundaries, privacy and dignity. What a shame the country has to suffer.

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What are "gender non-conforming women", jj?

Women who do not conform to the socially expected appearance of those born female for the purpose of this argument given it is based on how people look

So gender is nothing but stereotypes then? Glad you finally admit it. But even if you and I both wore jeans and a white T-shirt, I bet you plenty that EVERY SINGLE WOMAN would still know that I am a woman.

Your entitlement to our spaces and your arrogance about it shines through. And that is exactly why you should not be in our spaces.

Indeed, upholding the current protocols for single sex facilities, means that this country will become a 'global pariah'.

No trans person, or their family or friends would ever visit.

Half the fashion industry, entertainment business, and technical profession would all leave their jobs and relocate to another country. And it's almost too difficult to imagine the catastrophic repercussions of the government's 'guaranteed access to female-only lavatories in public buildings'.

Ladies loos - the most potent superpower on Earth. 💪💪💪

As I said. It can't even be dignified with universally understood words like hyperbole and gaslighting. It's just a random string of nonsense bollocks.

@DidoLamenting

I don't think I've ever seen anyone saying single sex toilets based on birth sex are bad for women (my own fairly short term experience excepted)

Because of how they would have to be policed. If you read that autostraddle piece there's lots of women in the comments talking about pushing their chests out and trying to look feminine when using women's toilets because they are worried about being accused of being men. Basically any woman who doesn't immediately pass as a women to every single person all of the time could face harassment and if toilet access was regulated by statute potentially arrest, or being thrown out.

But also a lot of people especially in the states saw bathroom bills as a canary in a coalmine. Let's face it, it's likely to be quite a right ring government that would impose laws like that, and if they get away with that then what's next? It's not something that's likely to be good for women.

Also it would almost certainly reduce toilet provision. Why would a business provide toilets if they were at risk of being sued/prosecuted if someone with the wrong genitals were to use them. Who needs that hassle when trying to run a business? So lot of toilets in shops and other places would be likely to go.

I believe we're also going to be responsible for driving away the Tech & Fashion industries from these shores.