Women win guarantee over female only public lavatories - the Times

Don't bother Datun.

Do you really think that homophobia and women being harassed for being gender nonconforming has only happened in the last five minutes?

Men insisting on using women's spaces has happened in the last five minutes. Of course it has. Some of us are older than five minutes, you know.

Stop using women to justify men in women's spaces. It's absurd.

You say lots of women don't want single sex spaces, but you don't seem to be able to quote a single example of one of them saying this.

Here's one: digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1382&context=yjlf

Here's another: www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/whos-afraid-of-same-sex-bathrooms

And another: www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/why-the-uk-should-ditch-male-and-female-toilets-for-gender-neutr/

And more: journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0038026120934697

I've known many a butch woman and I've yet to meet one who is still not obviously female unlike most males who identify as women who inevitably just look like a male in a dress.

US articles from several years ago about culture wars in the states do not make your case jj.

Oh dear jj you do seem to have trouble processing the word 'no'.

The thing is though that, being women, we've had a lifetime dealing with this. So you posture and cajole and scold as much as you like. Crack on - fill up the thread. There won't be a single thing we haven't had thrown at us before and it will not make a scrap of difference.

And you still haven't quoted or linked to posts on here where women have said this sort of harassment means they want everything to be mixed sex.

You say lots of women don't want single sex spaces, but you don't seem to be able to quote a single example of one of them saying this.

Or do you seriously think that gender nonconforming women is only something that has happened in the last five minutes?

Do you really think that homophobia and women being harassed for being gender nonconforming has only happened in the last five minutes? You think butch lesbians were just treated great in womens toilets in the 60s/70s/80s? And then trans people came along and spoiled it. Dear me, ahistorical nonsense, completely blind to the struggles of LGB people.

Here's another: time.com/4322953/north-carolina-mississippi-bathroom-bills/

Anyone got anything to say to these women? Legitimate collateral damage? Liars? Anything?

Where can I find the list of court cases? I reckon I'm going to need it 😃

I've always been in favour of both of those - along with many of us, I'd guess

Absolutely

I've always been in favour of both of those - along with many of us, I'd guess.

Why aren't you listenng to the gender nonconforming women who have told you they have been harassed in women's spaces because people think they are men?

This has to be deliberate, no-one this hard of thinking.

This would never be a possibility if the transgender ideology didn't insist on allowing men into female spaces.

Women's places for women. Men's spaces for men.

It's really very simple. Stop creating problems for women.

Or do you seriously think that gender nonconforming women is only something that has happened in the last five minutes? 🤣

Yep. It's all our fault. All of it. All the time. Always.

Divide and conquer is a cynical tactic jj. Where is the evidence of a movement of Butch Lesbians against single sex spaces?

Butch looking women do not get harassed in women's spaces because people think they are trans women but because people think they are men.

Have an award for stating the bleeding obvious.

Has the dilemma of women in women's toilets now grown? Not just tourism, tech and fashion? Is it really now ( drum roll) everything under the sun?

Omg I'm going to make another donation on jjs behalf.

And yes, if men weren't insisting on accessing women's spaces, everyone can be assured that the people in them were female.

Butch looking women do not get harassed in women's spaces because people think they are trans women but because people think they are men. Why on earth must you blame everything under the sun on trans women?

There are six and a half thousand genetic differences between men and women.

Gender non-conforming women do not look like men.

And yes, if men weren't insisting on accessing women's spaces, everyone can be assured that the people in them were female.

It's the height of enough to hold women up to support an argument that they are fundamentally opposed in the first place.

Although, tediously predictable, it has to be said.

Perhaps if we had very strictly female only spaces and males didn’t insist on barging into spaces that, frankly, they’ve got no fucking business being in then GNC women wouldn’t be an issue as we’d simply know they were women (FYI we know anyway).
Women as a class are generally non violent, looking at the crime stats it sure as hell isn’t us causing an issue.

I suspect that the ' gender nonconforming women' jj is referring to are male 'women'.

Because of how they would have to be policed.

This is where you seem to be missing the point jj. What you're doing when you say stuff about toilets having to be 'policed' is assuming that when there is a rule about males not being allowed to use women's toilets, some males will try to use them anyway. Probably some would, but what sort of person would do that?

You're making the assumption that 'transwomen' will try to use women's toilets even though they know that they shouldn't, so you're showing that you don't believe 'transwomen' are decent people who will abide by the normal rules of society, but that they are unpleasant people who will try to force themselves into places where they know they shouldn't be and where they are not welcome.

I'd say that's somewhat transphobic of you jj.