School Transgender policies

Funny how biology doesn't mention feelings about your sex.

Absolutely!

the way a person’s body appears, sometimes wrongly, to indicate their gender

Insane. No biologist would give this definition as it’s useless for understanding anything about biological sex.

Small gamete producer/large gamete producer is the definition of male/female biological sex. I just did this in my UG class ffs. Sex is not externally applied by how other perceive you - GENDER is. But they won’t admit that either.

Species without large/small gametes (isogamous), or in which individuals all produce both (hermaphrodites) have neither males nor females. Some have hermaphrodites and males or hermaphrodites and females.

Humans are dioecious and anisogamous. Male or female body plans. Like all other dioecious species, Some individuals have the process disrupted somewhere along the line so they produce neither. The end.

@MiladyRenata. I disagree with you on many points, including about the notion of disembodied male and female brains, and about the way for boys to escape male stereotypes being to identify as female. However, I just wanted to say that I appreciate that you (as far as I've seen) write politely, and engage in certain debates we've so often been ordered not to have. This is surprisingly rare - so, thanks.

Yes. I have looked at the SSA and TT material. It’s shocking what is getting through. Our school is using material from No Outsiders, which I am trying very hard to remove.

I wrote about it on this thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4036363-Does-anyone-have-access-to-Jigsaw-PSHE-lesson-plans?pg=2

HYPATIA123 SSA are aware of Jigsaw and have covered them in their new resource about external PSHE/RSE providers. Jigsaw are certainly concerning because they are so widely used by schools and they are clearly in breach of the new DfE guidance about not teaching children the ‘wrong body’ idea.

What is Camden’s PSHE curriculum like? All the best with your challenging of it.

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Parents-Guide-to-external-PSHE-RSE-providers.pdf#page28

I am in the throes of challenging Camden's PSHE curriculum. I have had one brush off response after several to-and-fro letters. They justified some of the material by saying that it was widely used.🙄 that was about the extent of their argument, really 😂
So... going to write back in a few days with my serious hat on, apply the new government guidelines to what they have said, and ask fir an official review of PSHE and a remark that I will be carrying this forward as far as is required. Just so they know I won't be fobbed off!

That jigsaw deliberate mistake is hilarious!

Also where do they get the idea that hardly anyone is transgender? According to stonewall umbrella, pretty much everyone is transgender.

Babdoc Why not join us instead, and free yourself to be you

Yep, many a man has stood in a skirt kilt and screamed 'freedom'. Might have a gander at 'Braveheart' this weekend.

Do they teach Scottish history in English schools? You could have pictures of men in kilts. Looking fine. Ok, Culloden is not Bannockburn and is tragic, but with the Jacobites you have Bonnie Prince Charlie in his kilt and wig.

www.jacobites.net/prince-charles-edward-stuart.html

Aaah bab

But trans isn't stereotypes
It isn't born in the wrong body
Isnt a mental disorder

And if there was actually a female brain in a mans body they'd biopsy it and problem solved.

If its all so obvious then why the need fir self ID ? You'd only need that of you cant actually prove anything surely?

There's an awful lot if what it isn't but we don't actually know what it is.

We get accused of erasing their existence but in fact its the likes of the organisations and the activists who have basically gone full circle with their definitions and explanations and have written the very people they claim to represent out of their existence. Not us.

Hopefully this new DofE regulation will go someway to be able to challenge these improbable ideological based lessons and stick to actual facts. Like sex is a biological fact that cannot be changed

Or X meets Y

I'll get ther in a minute.

From the same

Conception

I'm.about to have a coffee.. clearly needed

No female brain has ever been discovered in a man's body its why brain scans and biopsies aren't part of the DX

Brains form front thensame cluster of cells that start multiplying at convention. X meet X or X meets XY cell devision starts and every cell is XX or XY.

Born in the wrong body is not true even mermaids says.

Good luck challenging op this stuff is bollocks and has no place in our schools

@MiladyRenata plenty of women play rugby. I think your stereotyping and lack of understanding about biology is as damaging as forcing boys to "man up"

Purpler back to your question. I started with checking the school equality policy because it was wrong. It opened up the conversation with the headmaster. I then had a series of meetings with him about this topic.

I got policies changed and the materials checked for nonsense.

You may also have had a letter back from school on the lessons on PHSE with a number on if they are using an outside resource to deliver which you can call and get a copy of the materials or talk through what's being delivered.

My specific concern was about the wrong body crap which thankfully wasn't in the lessons plans.

arguments with men*

That mistake is very revealing in the Jigsaw resource!

I'm a middle school teacher and what I'd say in a biology lesson is that human bodies have two sexes and I'd mention DSD because 1) students are often curious about outliers whatever the topic, and 2) it inoculates from the unscientific stuff some gender ideologists imagine is a gotcha.

I usually don't have the time to teach gender in biology so I say that some people feel like they should have been the opposite sex but if they haven't had surgery or whatnot they can still be fertile which is why students might see the headlines about men giving birth.

In my capacity as a homeroom teacher, I say that gender is the expectations that a particular society has for each sex and those expectations vary through cultures and history. Unpack some stereotypes. Unpack the harm done by and benefit of gender roles, expression etc. We might even talk about toxic masculinity and mean girls. Depends on the group.

In a lesson about transgender people: Some people feel more comfortable in the other gender role, some people feel like they received the socialisation meant for the other sex, some people believe they literally are the other gender. Then it's up to the students to sort through what they think.
Sometimes gender non conforming girls bring up stuff about scans for male and female brains, and ergo trans people have 'opposite brains', and as a science teacher I am delighted to discuss that with them as I think the conclusions have been massively overstated.

It's a fine line because teachers can't really say what we think and it's definitely not our role to give our students our own values. Whether I believe in gender ideology or not, it's not for me to say in a lesson. But where these resources have been going wrong, I think, is presenting gender ideology as a solid gold objective fact. In fact, as I think of arguments I have had with me, that is very familiar.

It's ok milady has already explained on a different thread that (from memory) women and girls are passive and focus on looking ornamental so we don't need to go over it all again. Oh and add, no normal woman wants to play contact sports. The ones that do obviously have incorrect brains.

So we can get back to the topic.

The definition of sex as pointing out gender is arse about face. Do the people who wrote it understand that? Unlikely, as they presumably have similarly bizarre definitions of both arse and face

Goodness me, another merail! Who would ever have expected that. Advanced search might be helpful if anyone's tempted to get distracted from the OP's question onto another topic introduced a few posts in.

[quote MiladyRenata]@Oldcrone

Very good question (and one I have pondered for many years).

I think that gender is a bit like sexual orientation. It's set up a certain way in the brain, and happens to correlate with one's physical biology most, but not all, of the time.

So sometimes you get a mismatch, which we call "gender dysphoria". It's only a "disorder" if society expects XY people to be men and XX people to be women. Much like we used to think same sex attraction was a disorder but now, thankfully, we don't.

Hope that helps a bit.[/quote]
It makes just as much sense, in my personal opinion, if someone says they are a cat (or any other creature) in their brain, just with a different physical biology. If one theorizes that there can be a difference like that between your body and your brain, you cannot limit the possibilities. Darn society compelling cats with people bodies to conform to human rules. It would rather spice things up if you had the brain of a Tom cat and the body of a celibate monk. Or had a little clean in full view, sans culottes.

I think society, (certainly in religion) thought that same sex attraction went against their religious teaching. Thankfully we aren't compelled to believe, or compelled to pretend to believe, ideologies that we personally see as bullshit any more. Or weren't for a short period of time. Except for twitter, or the Lib Dems etc, etc, etc.

Can you be a person of any different type whatsoever in your brain and have a different body? If not, why not? What about a disconnect with parts of your body. Can you have a different left side to the rest of your brain and body? I won't go into the reproductive bits!

Personally, I don''t find that notion credible. I think it is saying you are born in the wrong body. I shall now have a coffee with the other cats people in my household