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I am being asked to go into a meeting and introduce my pronouns to everyone in an hour and a half!

312 replies

WhatTheFuckHappenedHere · 29/10/2020 11:35

I am part of a work group tasked with running a big event that will take almost a year to plan. The first meeting is in an hour and a half over Zoom. The organiser, who I've never met, and goes by they/them pronouns according to the email signature, sent round an email reminder this morning with the meeting link, and including an agenda. The first thing on it is to introduce ourselves, our work area, an our gender pronouns. I don't really want to do this, but I need to work with this person and the group as a whole for the best part of a year! I'm feeling like I'll just have to go along with it lest I get accused of enacting literal and actual violence. Any advice?

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Morgan12 · 29/10/2020 14:28

Aw ffs.
What an absolute load of shit.

mumwon · 29/10/2020 14:25

dm use to say "she was the cat's grandmother" Its polite to refer to people by their name ...

NeurotrashWarrior · 29/10/2020 14:25

In fact I know someone recently who was looking for some hard research on that to challenge her organisation.

She's got a phd so Dr. A.Nyname can be gender neutral until you slap a pronoun in.

NeurotrashWarrior · 29/10/2020 14:23

@littlefireseverywhere given that I'm sure there's research to show that responses to female sign offs can be much worse to male sign offs, that's sex discrimination!

Escapeplanning · 29/10/2020 14:22

It's stupid and no more appropriate than being expected to give your age, sexual orientation, ethnicity, or any other information irrelevant to work. They are making up rules and they should be ignored.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 29/10/2020 14:18

Feminise your name? Shock
I’m more shocked by that than by the whole pronoun thing tbh.

NeurotrashWarrior · 29/10/2020 14:17

"I'm pronoun free"

And let them un befuddle that.

littlefireseverywhere · 29/10/2020 14:11

We’re also being encouraged to do it at work, I work for a charity who embrace woke ideas every now & again. We’re expected to add pronouns at the end of emails, under my signature. I don’t. I’ve an ambiguous name eg Sam, that can be confused with either male or female but when people meet me I’m clearly female. My line manager suggested my name was even more confusing for some & did I want to feminise my name. Ummm no!

littlefireseverywhere · 29/10/2020 14:08

It’s clearly a big issue for your colleague who wants to be referred to as they / then. Totally fine, but to then engage a discussion on what everyone else wants to be is quite odd & masochistic. I’m guessing that’s not what they were going for!

BettyFilous · 29/10/2020 14:06

I can see this coming to my workplace at some point as we are Stonewall luvvies or whatever the correct term is. I think the TW’s point in the posted tweet above is excellent. If you asked everyone to disclose their sexuality, religion, ethnicity or disability at the start of meetings, you would be hauled over the coals by HR. E&D data is sensitive data and subject to stringent controls in my company. As gender reassignment is also protected under EA2010, how is this even remotely OK?

EyesOpening · 29/10/2020 14:02

@kingsleyhimself

Just don't give your pronouns. Finish your intriduction, "nice to meet you all", then mute mic to show you've done. If they press it, say you would prefer not to at the moment thank you for asking. If you were brave you could follow up with an email explaining that you are currently considering your gender identity very thoughtfully and that having to declare your pronouns publicly like this is for you, literal violence, traumatising at this time and therefore transphobic.
I'd do this then add that if they carried on, I'd report them for bullying, harassment and intimidation.

I think in Norway, they're deciding whether misgendering is a crime with a sentence of up to 3 years, I'd be fucked, I can't even remember people's names most of the time, including the ones in my own family, I say about 5 before I get the right one. My poor brain couldn't remember or compute someone's pronouns if they're not the ones we've been using my whole life so far. Is it misgendering if I just use they/them for everyone?

ilovesushi · 29/10/2020 14:00

It is clearly a biggie for the organiser. I'd just introduce myself in the usual way and finish with a quick 'she, her, hers' thrown in at the end. Job done.

LatinforTelly · 29/10/2020 13:56

Another one lurking to find out what happened - hope it was uneventful for you, OP. Some great serious and not-so-serious options here and @CaptainCorellisPangolin, that made me laugh!

TabbyStar · 29/10/2020 13:49

Great post Marial, I feel pretty much the same.

HeyGirlHeyBoy · 29/10/2020 13:48

I'd probably go with 'I'm a woman, thanks', smile sweetly and mute, looking expectantly for next person.

But I'd like to ponder why it's relevant and if pushed I might say 'If I say he do I get a pay rise?' LOL. Just bantz.

StealthPolarBear · 29/10/2020 13:48

When I put mine on a thread recently I was deleted and given a warning. Tbh I was a bit pissed off they assumed I wasn't serious. How can one tell the difference?

rashalert · 29/10/2020 13:44

Say you're having intersectional feminist/gender counselling to help you decide on your pro-noun but it is long and traumatic and, at the moment, being forced to identify could lead to a trauma.

In fact, the whole thing is insensitive and triggering and you will need a week of work to deal with the feelings it has stirred up.

steppemum · 29/10/2020 13:42

It is tempting. Oh so very tempting.
We have a very elderly vicar sitting in on it (he's contributing to something we're publishing). Really, that should deter me but it only makes me want to do it more.

I veyr much doubt if he would be shocked!

Summerfreeze · 29/10/2020 13:37

Let us know how you get on! I’d ignore this too.

mumsiedarlingrevolta · 29/10/2020 13:35

Oooh @WhatTheFuckHappenedHere please come back...

NRatched · 29/10/2020 13:33

No idea abut the extra and there Hmm

When my dads workmates were told to do this (albeit on emails, rather than in person) they started identifying as god and such, and had emails shooting arund the office ending in 'banana/bananself' and stuff. I doubt that would go down too well in person though, or in a group less closely knitted than they were!

FairFridaythe13th · 29/10/2020 13:33

It does imply that people need to state it - so it’s not automatically obvious then?

NRatched · 29/10/2020 13:31

This is unfair on trans people who are not 'out' IMO. Its unfair on women too really, and men..but the one that will be listened to above all else is that transpeople should not be MADE to state their pronouns as they are a very personal thing and.

justasking111 · 29/10/2020 13:31

Wear a low cut top, lots of red lipstick, and declare HE/HIM. What a nonsense it is so treat it as such.

OldQueen1969 · 29/10/2020 13:31

What would happen in these situations if you just looked blank and said "the usual ones" ? (Does this make me evil?)