EHRC report investigation into antisemitism in the Labour Party

I’ve pointed out that according to the Report the supposed effect of Livingstone’s action was that it “was humiliating, denied the victims’ experience, diminished the issue, had the effect of stirring up and fuelling hatred for Jews and contributed to the creation of a hostile and intimidating environment for Jewish Labour Party members.”; and that this is exactly the sort of wording that TRA’s use to describe the supposed effect on trans people when a woman says that biological males can't be women.

No, that's exactly what is happening to women including those within the Labour Party. TRA's and their supporters are the ones regularly denying female victims experiences - look at what was said to JKR about the domestic abuse she suffered, see also the comment by a TRA Labour Womens Officer that rape victims who can't/don't want to share spaces with men should just get over it.

@Digeridont "Calm down" is surely quite restrained when somebody is making accusations like holocaust denial? Unless I missed something, then that seems well out of order.

I don't think the "dear" was being used by someone defending Corbyn either.

I get that feeling are strong on this, but I think certain posters are being treated unfairly on this thread.

WHATEVER you think about antisemitism or Zionism, you can have concerns about free speech on those issues, and also the implications for free speech re women's rights/trans issues.

@Digeridont , the "dear" was me and, you're right. It was out of order in any context.

I usually lurk but one “calm down” and one “dear”, on the feminism board of all places, really caught my eye. I think it says something about the attitude of those arguing that Corbyn is blameless.

Many members of the Labour party and other political parties and those not in political parties do question the legitimacy of Israel

Aesop, so when people talk about 'questioning the legitimacy of Israel' you feel they're not really questioning the legitimacy of Israel, they're talking about the legitimacy of Israel's settlements or its claim to Jerusalem, etc?

If only they'd say that then.

@xxyzz Calm down

But you are trying to pretend it's all about the borders and not it's very existence. Anti Zionism is about the very existence of Israel. Every time you and your pals say it, we can hear you.

But it is not just an internal issue is it? Not when the boundaries are disputed?

I never said all Jews are to blame for the actions of a government elected by the people who live there. I am saying it is grossly over simplistic to name the questioning of Israel’s right to exist as antisemetic when what constitutes Israel in terms of boundaries is so contentious.

@Aesopfable , this is a democratic discussion they have in Israel. What with it being a parliamentary democracy. Flawed, as is ours, but still a democracy.
And blaming all Jews for the Likud Government's policy is Antisemitism 101.

Two state solution, dear.

If you don't accept Israel has a right to exist you are an antisemite

When you say Israel’s right to exist should not be questioned, what boundaries are you using? Do you think they have a right to exist across the whole of Jerusalem? Gaza Strip? Do you think the settlers have a right to land in the East Bank? Do you think those objecting to settlements are simply antisemetic if they do not give up their land?

To be clear, the kind of gaslighting howard97A is undertaking is akin to when TRAs claim that women are bigots for not calling Karen White a woman and welcoming 'her' into women's prisons.

Well, sunshine, women aren't the bigots then for calling out the misogyny, and Jews aren't the bigots here either for calling out Ken Livingstone's

• and your - anti-Semitism.

TRAs are misogynist. Ken Livingstone and anyone who supports his views on Jews are anti-Semites.

HTH.

Absolutely shocking that these sorts of vile racists can be so overt on MN.

Even after Corbyn's grim supporters have been excoriated by the EHRC.

Truly these Holocaust deniers and Jew-haters have no shame.

@xxyzz I’m certainly not a TRA, nor am I trying to stir up trouble.

Perhaps you could say exactly what I’ve said that that you think makes me a racist.

I’ve pointed out that according to the Report the supposed effect of Livingstone’s action was that it “was humiliating, denied the victims’ experience, diminished the issue, had the effect of stirring up and fuelling hatred for Jews and contributed to the creation of a hostile and intimidating environment for Jewish Labour Party members.”; and that this is exactly the sort of wording that TRA’s use to describe the supposed effect on trans people when a woman says that biological males can't be women.

I don’t know what you mean when you say that I’ve suggested that “the real victim here is the anti-Semitic cabal who used to rule Labour”.

Maybe you’re referring to my scepticism about Ken Livingstone’s supposed antisemitiism? That’s something we could reasonably disagree about without you telling me to fuck off.

is the hard-done by innocent.

Too angry to type coherently!

Well, this is depressing. A few weeks ago, I argued on here that I had not seen overt Semitism on MN, now that's certainly untrue. And that's without allowing for all the posts I can't see because they've been deleted.

To clarify, I'm talking about @howard97A and @BlackForestCake and @stumbledin - only the last of those is a name I recognise as a regular poster, so I hope the others are TRAs/trolls trying to stir up trouble. If they're genuine, it's depressing that that many racists have found their way to this board. :(

I'm really shocked that this kind of racist crap is permitted to stand. There are certainly very obvious parallels between the woke left's demonisation of women and the woke left's demonisation of Jews, but to suggest that the real victim here is the anti-Semitic cabal who used to rule Labour really takes the biscuit.

Seriously, anti-Semites, eff off.

If you don't accept Israel has a right to exist you are an antisemite. If, like lots of people within Israel, you have concerns about the policies of the Likud government, that's called democracy.
Antisemites can go fuck themselves. Not welcome in any mainstream UK political party. Or shouldn't be. Corbyn welcomed them.

Islamists on one side, neo-Nazis on the other. A plague on both their houses.

Islamists on one side, neo-Nazis on the other. A plague on both their houses.

There's a brilliant way to make Jews Zionists who want to make aliyah, and that's to make us feel unwelcome and unsafe in our home countries. Me, I wouldn't because the UK is my home but I can understand why other Jews want to get the hell out of places like France.

Islamists on one side, neo-Nazis on the other. A plague on both their houses.

There's a brilliant way to make Jews Zionists who want to make aliyah, and that's to make us feel unwelcome and unsafe in our home countries. Me, I wouldn't because the UK is my home but I can understand why other Jews want to get the hell out of places like France.

Islamists on one side, neo-Nazis on the other. A plague on both their houses.

Many members of the Labour party and other political parties and those not in political parties do question the legitimacy of Israel

Well, apparently many members of the Labour party and other political parties don't accept Israel has a right to exist anymore. So that's nice.