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No more exclusions and sexual violence in schools

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2fallsagain · 28/10/2020 08:23

Have you seen the group No More exclusions are recommending that those who commit sexual violence should not be excluded? Rather they think the school should take a "community approach".

Whilst exclusions are not desirable you cannot include one child at the risk of others.

There is a big row going on with the NEU as they state it's not official policy. However many local NEU groups are tweeting in solidarity. It is alarming that so many are overriding safeguarding.

Here is SSA comment

twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1321193026228752387?s=20

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Deliriumoftheendless · 28/10/2020 11:21

Who actually are NME?

2fallsagain · 28/10/2020 10:25

Just a note - the only reason PRUs have been mentioned is that NME want to see their abolition and they’re needed - we care deeply about the safeguarding of children in PRUs.

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EvelynBeatrice · 28/10/2020 10:25

I read a novel years ago in which a teenage girl was subjected to a serious sexual assault by two boys on school premises following a series of sexual harassment incidents against numerous females in school. The school refused to exclude him long term backed up by the authorities etc. The girls got together and upon his return to the classroom / upon his entry to any room every female student stood up and exited the
room. In the end with press backing they were successful in having him excluded.

Deliriumoftheendless · 28/10/2020 09:42

@ArabellaScott

I think that's relevant and useful info, Delirium.
Thanks I didn’t want to take an important issue and make it all about me but this is a problem that’s not going away so we need a new solution.

I wouldn’t see kids who have committed criminal acts or even been in young offenders units discriminated against- youth offending it complicated and most will be victims themselves. But I’m unsure that a boy who rapes or sexually assaults always falls into that category. I’m dubious that these are acts the child himself did not feel were acceptable to commit and ms schools at PRUs are not the place to rehabilitate an offender of this type.

PRUs always have a lot of girls who are victims of CSA/CSE or have SEMH issues -and it would be horrific to put a rapist in with them. I don’t have an answer but until a pupil is safe to be around girls (and possibly other boys) they need a different environment. And if you’re looking at Y10–11 pupils they’re often physically stronger than most female staff which makes the working environment unsafe- something the union should be thinking about.

I was lucky when I worked with ks4 in that none of them ever attacked me but it is seen as a bit of an occupational hazard in a PRU - I have a problem with that for many reasons - but sexual assault for staff or pupils is unacceptable.

SonEtLumiere · 28/10/2020 09:14

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ArabellaScott · 28/10/2020 09:08

I think that's relevant and useful info, Delirium.

OhHolyJesus · 28/10/2020 09:07

Another detail sorry.

Diversity Role Model at the NUHT's charity of choice and national bullying week is coming in November.

Thanks for sharing OP, I'm digesting news of the GRA consultation inquiry this morning...

Deliriumoftheendless · 28/10/2020 08:56

There’s some comments on that thread about PRUs so I apologise in advance for a bit of a detail (possible merail).

My background is working in the PRU system (for about a thousand years) and I think there should be no stigma to a child attending one. There are children who cannot function in a mainstream setting (ms schools will never change enough to accommodate these kids’ needs) and deserve an alternative curriculum to thrive.

Note I’m not justifying sexual assault but speaking of PRU kids in general.

I’d be wary of simply sending a child who has committed sexual assault to a PRU - there are still vulnerable girls and female staff to consider, there should be a higher risk tier for dangerous kids I think for everyone’s safety. There are already residential schools for the most dangerous kids. Would something like that not be better?

(For the record I have worked with kids who have committed sexual assault, one posed no threat one posed a massive threat. We also had kids classes as “potential sex offenders” but it wasn’t revealed who they were.)

Again sorry for merail.

2fallsagain · 28/10/2020 08:41

Yes it’s absolutely horrendous. And they are trying to claim this is a “victim led” approach. NEU claim to have nothing to do with this group but have platformed them. And their local groups clearly did. It get the memo.

Keeping rapists in schools puts teachers in danger as well as pupils.

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thinkingaboutLangCleg · 28/10/2020 08:28

Because girls have to learn that they are ‘support humans’ whose own needs are unimportant. Ffs.

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