CALL FOR ACTION Women&Equalities committee calling for evidence on GRA reform - again?!?

Do we know anything about the committee members? Are there any neutral or GC members. Just wondering if there could be any chance of a minority report.

This is the next step after the Minister's proposals (ie what Liz Truss said in Parliament).

The relevant committee then has to look at how this will work in practice and is asking for comments in relation to the proposals. (I dont think these can be changed but I suppose the committe could just say they aren't workable, or contravene equality!)

But it looks like then can pick and choose which submissions to listen to so not sure that loads of individual response will be taken into account unless (as in the instance of the female prisoner assualted by a TW).

But maybe someone who knows about committee procedure could advise.

The fact that you don’t feel able to speak up is part of the impact on you. You feel marginalised and threatened. You are concerned about the impact yet feel at risk if you speak up. That is your personal experience of the impact of the misleading guidance. Maybe this is what they need to hear.

Sorry cross posted. Sorry you are scunnered, me too for a different reason.

Sorry that should say "not permitted". We don't need permission. Framing obstacles as "not permitted" is to hand power over to the alleged granters of permission.

When did feminism become so passive aggressive?

I'm finding this bloody defeatism here so miserable and alienating.

Yes, sorry, Escape, that was maybe overstating it somewhat.

I personally don't feel able to do these things: other women can and do, and I salute them, and all the work that's been done.

Just feeling a bit scunnered with it all, today.

There's a big difference between can't and it's been a struggle. I think you do a disservice to the work done by saying we can't when we have.

If I write a submission for a group of survivors for instance, which will of necessity include writing about feelings, I would still normally back up my points by referring to, for instance, the existing research into trauma-based care. Would you recommend not doing that?

Yes, a fortune spent. The team are of course very pro self identification into prisons.

inherentlyhuman.wordpress.com/2016/11/21/new-policy-on-transgender-prisoners-progressive-but-can-prisons-keep-pace/?fbclid=IwAR3tnoWG36qNvbIS7o0X0L6SAtvgWXgsdW0KG_sirPQGcdhhVdmBUmsscSE

And if you doubt that what I say above is true, then I challenge you to state, openly under your real name on social media, that a woman is an adult human female. Let me know how you get on.

This is the state of women's rights in 2020. If we talk about our experiences of rape, dv or abuse we are 'weaponising' our experience.

We are not permitted to explain why we object

we are not permitted to meet

we are not permitted to discuss the issues

Perhaps we could have a survey about how women’s mental health has been impacted by this assault on us as women. Would this count as evidence. I am sure there are more than a few that have felt suicidal as a result. A poll here on Mumsnet perhaps. How do we do it? Sorry, no experience..

I think that was £750k or so of taxpayers' money pissed up the wall, wasn't it?

It's five years since the last inquiry. The good thing is dipshit ideas like abolishing of legal gender completely would have been slated for this inquiry this time around.
futureoflegalgender.kcl.ac.uk/2020/04/30/responding-to-gender-critical-feminism-on-gender-sex-and-a-generous-feminist-politics-in-anxious-times/
As a result of the massive public pushback they're now reduced to impotent meeping about feminism's refusal to ignore the impact of sex, in largely unread blogs.

Courage is a beautiful sight.

This is like applications for planning permission to wreak a bit of destruction that local people don't want: we have to fight it and win again and again and again and again, they only have to win once.

This is how I see it too. Why are they asking about self ID yet again, when the government formally said no a month or so ago? What is the justification? Why are they wasting taxpayers money on it during a pandemic, when this issue has been dealt with apart from the details of streamlining the application process?

Please don't worry, it really helps to know it's not only me thinking it!

Hadn't read this page, sorry MichelleofzeResistance for repeating your point.

Caroline Noakes seems to be Maria Miller mark 2.
This makes me want to weep, at the moment I feel such despair.
'Hope has two lovely daughters: anger and courage' Augustine of Hippo

Tomorrow I get angry.

This is like applications for planning permission to wreak a bit of destruction that local people don't want: we have to fight it and win again and again and again and again, they only have to win once.

Sorry, just saw it had already been posted!

This is some good advice on how the process works and what to say.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1321380352976408578.html

Are these the committee members? Caroline Noakes, who wrote the article linked upthread, is the chair:

committees.parliament.uk/committee/328/women-and-equalities-committee/membership

All of which they already have in piles from the last consultation.

Thanks, Escape.

Very useful.

'Submissions from individuals are valued, especially if they are focussed (you can leave it to Women’s Place et al to make the blockbuster submissions), well argued, bring in new lines of thought and evidence, ...
.. and are respectful of counter-arguments. Your aim should be to have the committee, including some who are not wholly on your side, say ‘that’s a point I would like to see in the final report’. Two pages is enough: you get a huge amount of reading, and members will do ...

their best to get through it all, but clarity and good structure will get you read carefully. The old Dick Francis technique: use the first two lines to make them want to read the first page, and the first page to make them want to read it all. ...
Where you can point up and support a compromise solution, do. This is the territory that a committee will occupy if it can, so help them choose the compromises that work best for you.'