BBC news are about to give a report on the massive increase in transphobic hate crime

And this is the problem. I know a genuine trans person who gets harassment and worse on a fairly regular basis. By blokes obviously. They don't bother to report it anymore. Meanwhile, we can't say the scientific biological truth without being called terfs.

I'm afraid when the BBC report things like this, I just roll my eyes and assume some poor Saturday school kid offended someone by not calling them Sir/Madam the right way round.

Which is a shame because I'm sure buried in there, there may well be some genuine transphobic abuse.

But frankly, after SANDS trolling bereaved mother's, the English RFU saying they're absolutely fine with women being exposed to a 30% greater risk of spinal injury, male bodied rapists being put in women's prisons, male bodied people being put in charge of rape crisis centres, posh fuckwits in receipt of one of the most prestigious education's one can receive calling for a college porter to be sacked for wrongthink - I find that I no longer have any fucks left to give for some poor dear who has been misgendered.

Not being nice. Not being kind.

I started out that way, but TRAs have systematically destroyed every last ounce of sympathy I had. My sympathy, my kindness, my niceness is all reserved for women - the old fashioned cunty kind.

This is having real life consequences for people who have not committed any crime;

''In a nutshell I made a Subject Access Request of Wiltshire police after a Twitter account boasted I now had a 'record for life' of my 'hate'. The police disclosed to me 12 pages of screenshots that were not hateful in the least; they were mainly discussions about the GC debate that have been confirmed as protected political speech.''

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3982831-I-have-been-recorded-by-my-local-police-force-as-hateful

The tweets were recorded as hate incidents because;
''if you believe something is a hate incident it should be recorded as such by the person you are reporting it to.''
www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/what-are-hate-incidents-and-hate-crime/

As for hate incidents they are recorded for statistics only.

No they arent. They show up in criminal records checks and that can stop you getting a job.

The only ‘genuine’ case that springs to mind, is the autistic boy calling out “is it a boy or a girl” to a police officer. The media were all over that.
And yet when a boy wearing a sunflower lanyard is physically beaten up (recent MN post - not by me) the police decline to take action.

And it would be interesting to know who, exactly, is perpetrating physical violence on transpeople. Pretty sure like most violence it's male violence. Some UK stats would be good, but that might come later. It might also be muddied by reported gender, as in two transwomen falling out, fighting and the crime being labelled as committed by a woman, or women.

Unless... well you know. I’m so happy that the met (for it is they) have solved all the knife crimes and mugging in London.

No, misogyny is not a hate crime. 🤷🏼‍♀️

I did read somewhere on twitter a force recruiting 250 officers for the hate crime brigade. I assume that won’t cover rape, DV etc.

As for hate incidents they are recorded for statistics only.

You surely cannot be unaware of FairCop and Harry Miller's judicial review? The crime report on his record a "non-crime"?

And the damning judgment against the police's actions in that case

The effect of the police turning up at his place of work because of his political opinions must not be underestimated. To do so would be to undervalue a cardinal democratic freedom. In this country we have never had a Cheka, a Gestapo or a Stasi. We have never lived in an Orwellian society.

Surely any physical attacks would be reported everywhere for weeks. But they haven’t been. We are expected to take it on trust, that truly horrible abuse occurs, and I just don’t anymore.

Nor do I. Studies repeatedly report that a male transitioner is statistically less likely to be killed than a male non transitioner.

Why would this trend be reversed for other violent crime?

I don't get it.

As for hate incidents they are recorded for statistics only.

There is horrible, genuine abuse. The problem is that 'deadnaming' and 'misgendering' is conflated with threats and actual violence.

I am even beginning to doubt the claims that there is genuine abuse. Any actual attacks on trans people would have been all over the news. The only ‘genuine’ case that springs to mind, is the autistic boy calling out “is it a boy or a girl” to a police officer. The media were all over that.

Surely any physical attacks would be reported everywhere for weeks. But they haven’t been. We are expected to take it on trust, that truly horrible abuse occurs, and I just don’t anymore.

How many of these "crimes" have reached court? There presumably must have been others aside from Mermaids vs Miranda Yardley?

Don't recall seeing any, but I haven't looked for them.

I agree, I think it's more often homophobic abuse directed at people for their perceived sexuality.

I think the main thing is that transphobic abuse does exist

I wonder if this is true. When men abuse transwomen, I suspect this is has more to do with patriarchal ideas of masculinity and a fear of homosexuality. I don't think it's done out of hatred of 'trans' people per se.

Where can we find the report?

Is it easily found on iplayer?

*Yup, huge huge difference. Given 'hate incidents' includes stuff like someone posting something on twitter that someone else doesn't like.

If there has actually been an increase in transphobic attacks, thats concerning, but otherwise, its nonsense.*
In last year's FBI statistics on hate crime in the US, gay men had the highest rate of homicides among the LGBTetc group and if I remember correctly, also the highest overall assault and harassment rates.

Criminal offences meeting the definition of "hate crime" involving misgendering or non threatening behaviour to trans people can come under several laws, as far as I know, depending on the circumstances. These include the Public Order Act, Communications Act or Protection from Harassment Act. Depending on the perception of the alleged victim.

Stickers could come under criminal damage, and could therefore be a hate crime if someone said they perceived it as such.

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Hate crime or hate "incidents"

If there has actually been an increase in transphobic attacks, thats concerning, but otherwise, its nonsense.

I'd like to know what the definition of the transphobic hate crime actually is.

Hate crime used to mean a crime covered by criminal justice act and crime and disorder act.... typically involving violence, motivated by prejudice against one of the 9 protected characteristics in the equality act... race, religion, sexual orientation, transgender status etc.

But these days... CPS defines 'hostility' as a hate crime and though they admit 'There is no legal definition of hostility', they include 'harassment' online. People have been questioned by police for 'wrong think' on twitter....so have those cases been recorded as hate crimes?

I'm afraid since it became apparent that this may mean a wholly unacceptable violent crime, or it may mean a perceived social slight, the whole concept became meaningless. There's no knowing the ratio of what is something that should absolutely be a cause for serious concern and what should not have ever been recorded in the first place. Now it's well known that no one knows (or will admit) what the percentage of each is, the whole thing cannot be taken seriously.

Hate crime against transgender people is horrible and must absolutely be condemned, but talking about women's rights, for instance, is not a hate crime or even a hate incident. Yet some activists argue that it is what causes trans people to die.

This is the effect the activists are having. Women's rights, women's privacy, the word woman, biology, chromosomes, sex, child safeguarding, bereaved mothers, fairness, homosexuality, reality-all transphobic. The boy who cried wolf.

Absolutely!!!!p