Claire Parry’s killer found NOT GUILTY of Murder.

A “kerfuffle”, according to PA copy being used. Jesus Christ.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/27/dorset-police-officer-timothy-brehmer-cleared-of-murdering-lover-claire-parry-after-she-told-wife-of-affair?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I'm amazed that the jury came to this verdict.

They were in a car when it happened, and he says he accidentally slipped and fell on her. Even in a fairly spacious car it is difficult to manoeuvre. If it was that easy to accidentally kill people when trying to get them.out of a car, toddlers would be at huge risk as we've all.had to wrestle one into or out of a car at some point.

Surely some of the jurers must have been women though?

Like the fact he was a police officer? Is there any evidence police officers get off with things or get lighter sentences? I used to work for a big metropolitan police force, civilian staff, and I worked with two officers who ended up in prison. One arguably got a harsh sentence for a first offence for dishonesty, entirely financial nothing physical. I'm not sure about the other one as I had moved on by then.

So if you do something that's likely to kill or seriously injure someone you can be charged with murder even if you weren't actually intending for them to die.

The max manslaughter tariff is life, sentencing tariff guidelines are online, I’d suspect between 6 and 12 years depending if they decide he has medium or high culpability.

The sentence for manslaughter can be tough too.

Does anyone know what the difference in max/min sentencing is between murder and manslaughter?

Disgraceful. He murdered her. This verdict is almost victim blamey- silly woman dying when she was merely being vigorously throttled and ruining this guy's plans! Ffs!

By law it is manslaughter. It wasn't premeditated.

It isn't premeditation that matters, it's intent to kill/cause GBH that differentiates the two. Premeditation is taken into account as an aggravating factor for sentencing and provides evidence for the jury, but you can still murder someone without having planned to in the weeks/days/hours/moments leading up to it.

I really struggle to understand how strangling someone isn't seen as intent to kill/cause serious harm though.

Absolutely disgusting.

This is terrifying. Her poor family.

Under cross-examination by Richard Smith QC, prosecuting, Mr Brehmer initially denied being a "well-practised liar" but then accepted the term after admitting he lied "consistently well" to his wife over their affair.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-54633436

This has made me so angry and upset. The force required to strangle someone to death is not something that happens accidentally. Fucking evil murdering bastard. And his family who have said he was a 'true gent'?! He's a cheating murderer...no gent there at all. I feel so sorry for his wife, the widowed husband and all the children involved.

It doesn't have to be premeditated to be murder, you just have to mean to kill or mean to very seriously hurt the person.

juries don't seem to understand how much force you have to apply to kill someone by strangling

I've often thought that people on juries for cases of strangulation (or pretty much any serious injuries that are routinely misportrayed on tv) should have to try to imitate a strangulation grip on e.g. a cpr dummy for the length of time it would take to kill someone. It would stop all these "accidental death" defences in their tracks.

In anticipation, here's the link to appealing an overly lenient sentence (because I have zero faith in the British justice system delivering anything remotely like justice for Claire Parry and her family):
www.gov.uk/ask-crown-court-sentence-review

You will need to provide:

name of the person who got the sentence
date the sentence was given
court where the case was held
crime committed

judges usually have to take certain things into account

Like the fact he was a police officer?

I bet he will get a lenient sentence. I think I'll write to my MP and complain. Or is it better to write to the Home Secretary. Maybe somdbody will start a petition.

You think?

My money's on 5 years, out in 2 and a half.

the Judge could still give him Life, my fingers and toes are crossed ... for every woman that has ever suffered violence 🌺

By law it is manslaughter. It wasn't premeditated. He had a knife to kill himself, that was his reasoning to meet Mrs Parry. My thoughts are with Mrs Parrys families first & foremost but also PC Brehmers family.