Jessica Yaniv files human rights complaint against beauty pageant

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I know I’m hung up on the money. But how is Yaniv’s dignity worth 10K, when the whole world knows how deeply committed Yaniv is to having Yaniv’s balls waxed?

Gotta pay the instalments on the car, right?

Worryingly, the other TW has said on Twitter that they will withdraw if JY enters the competition.

Maybe they merely don't want to end up damned by association? I would certainly feel that I didn't want to get drawn into the madness.

Weird that Jessica hasn't been published in the New York Times. They have repeatedly published Veronica Ivy aka Rachel McKinnon and they have also published Andrea Chu (who argues that being a woman means enjoying being degraded).

I know I’m hung up on the money. But how is Yaniv’s dignity worth 10K, when the whole world knows how deeply committed Yaniv is to having Yaniv’s balls waxed?

Oxyiz. I think you know the answer to that.

Sorry - where's our resident TRA of the month jj in all this?

Shouldn't he be here telling us all that this never happens, there are no creeps out there, etc etc?

Or is it just the grieving mums / women's boundaries threads he enjoys taking over?

Again 'they' does not mean all transwomen.

Getting annoyed with all the qualifications which should be obvious, but here we are!

..or maybe a reality tv show. Seems to be the type the like to watch.

@StealthPolarBear only if it’ll get them attention/money/access to children

I really don’t think they’d win.... but, obviously should not be able to enter based on the pageants clear policy of no entry if you have a penis still attached. Simples.

Does she identify as being from the UK though?

@IwishNothingButTheBestForYou2 ahh but TRAs don’t want their own competitions and sports. It would mean they have to admit there is a difference between trans people and normal people. (Using normal here because there’s not a non offensive word to describe people who believe that biological sex is unchangable and I’ll never use the shitty term TRAs have come up with).

.. There’s also a Miss Transgender UK competition..

Jings! That came as a surprise. (A very pleasant one.)

Just had a quick google, there's vids you can watch. I say pleasantly surprised because isn't it great that transwomen have their own competition?

Sporting bodies take note.

Miss Universe has been around since the early 50s I believe, and has close to 100 countries participating annually, including a Miss Great Britain entry.

Children’s beauty pageants seem to have had a surge here in the last 15 years or so.

There’s also Miss Galaxy (never heard of it but it’s the same one Yaniv is citing in the Canadian action.

There’s also a Miss Transgender UK competition, or there was about five years ago. No idea if it’s still running. As near as I can tell the UK beauty pageants require natal females to participate. Again, not sure if that has changed to include transwomen with full surgery or GRC or what, especially with the Miss Galaxy UK as it’s presumably the same company that presents in Canada.

As for the participants, it certainly didn’t used to be the case that adult pageants were only for those who had grown up through the pageant circuit as children.

I went to university with Miss Illinois 19XX and she started as a high schooler with an eye on the scholarship money, which is a huge deal in the States. She made it to the Top Ten of Miss USA (the winner of which represents the country in Miss Universe). She had a degree in telecommunications, was an orange belt in tae kwan do, was an accomplished violinist, and finished valedictorian if her high school I believe, as well too honours from uni. She was also very nice and funny as it happens.

None of which has anything to do with Yaniv, but someone did ask.

How old are they now? Surely Beauty pageants are for children and senior ones are for the ex-child competitors. And for people who are beautiful (inside and/or out).

Maybe should add, my above post does NOT imply all transwomen are pervs either. Though that should be obvious. But it seems, we need to say this when posting now else risk deletions

I genuinely thought at one point Yaniv must be a GC plant or something. It seems obvious at this stage though, that Yaniv is simply the logical conclusion of self ID + narcisism.

Long may he conitnue showing up the lunacy of this nonsense.

I actually quite enjoy watching TRAs pointedly ignore anything to do with him. They would have to admit one of the unspeakables at least, in acknowledging Yanivs case. Main ones..men exist who would abuse self ID. Or, selfID attracts and enables pervs such as Yaniv. Neither of which can ever be admitted, despite being obvious to most women before Yaniv ever showed her womanly face.

Frankly, I can't see what difference it makes.

Surgery, hormones, it doesn't make people change sex. Any of it.

And the few studies there are show that there is no difference in male offending between pre and post op.

To me, the only difference it makes is numbers.

To me, it looks like Yaniv absolutely has a case.

Me too. If they don't consider it vexatious, or a safeguarding risk, Yaniv has just as much right as any other MTF trans person. I can't see that they will be able to discriminate based on surgery.

Hopefully this gets a load of publicity, it will be really good for everyone to hear all these arguments out in public, rather than the private legal threats approach.

From memory, the women only won in the previous court case, because they had not been trained to wax scrotums. It wasn't about whether it was acceptable or not. Just about whether they had the correct training.

I suspect JY only considers and anti-JY actions as crimes. They must have been a delight at school if the other kids didn’t involve them in their games.

The other trans woman - who is listed on the page as competing, BTW, which JY isn't currently - has cerebral palsy. And according to other web posts, as well as the rules of the beauty competition, she has previously undergone gender reassignment surgery.

I don't therefore see that JY would be able to claim that JY is a victim of discrimination by the beauty pageant organisers on the basis of being trans. Instead, it looks suspiciously like JY is going after another organisation run by a certain ethnic group, in the hopes of suing them for monetary gain.

Worryingly, the other TW has said on Twitter that they will withdraw if JY enters the competition.