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Tampax getting ratioed

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Awning10 · 24/10/2020 08:29

twitter.com/Tampax/status/1305952342504767491

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Whatwouldscullydo · 24/10/2020 14:35

No asking its worse than that.

1 or 2 even recycle them...

AsGhoulAsKimDeal · 24/10/2020 14:31

@doadeer I'm curious to know what happens after one of these episodes - are Brand X's marketing or social media team hauled in to explain why enraged customers are shouting at them on Twitter, and is their argument that the publicity will create enough new, different customers to compensate for any that are lost? Because you'd think that both measurable and unlikely in the case of something like Tampax.

Thewithesarehere · 24/10/2020 14:30

[quote Imnobody4]Just had to share this, sorry. twitter.com/HerRoyalHeinous/status/1319949855926702080?s=09[/quote]
Grin

wellbehavedwomen · 24/10/2020 14:18

@Deliriumoftheendless

So let me check I’m up to date with my slogans-

Transwomen are women
Women are non transwomen
Transmen are people who bleed
Men are men

Inclusive.

It's inclusive erasure.

(And it's not okay to debate women's right to exist. It's #nodebate, in fact. We don't have any such right, because it hurts male people's feelings.)

WarOnWomen · 24/10/2020 14:18

Does anyone have screenshot of the tweet please as I think it's been removed?

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/10/2020 14:18

I was assuming that the transwoman would have had fairly radical "bottom surgery", by the way, because otherwise inserting them where women do would be difficult.

And yes, Whatwouldscullydo, I do know about individual(s) going around in women's public lavatories asking people to lend one a tampon, though I haven't ever actually encountered anyone female doing this since I was at boarding school and only people in the fifth form and above were allowed to buy Tampax from the matron: sometimes supplies brought from home at the beginning of term ran out and a third-former who was waiting for a parcel from their mother would need to borrow a few from an older pupil. It was usually asked in the bedroom though, not in the lavatory, so one could be sure to have one before needing it.

tattooedmummy1 · 24/10/2020 14:18

[quote wellbehavedwomen]@SarahG6383

I’m confused about all the hate. Surely they are trying to include transgender men. Transgender men still bleed every month and I’m guessing here, don’t like being labelled as a woman? so I get it. So it’s including them too?

So say, "women, transmen & NB people" then, which includes everyone - and erases nobody. But here's the thing: that erasure is the point. It's not about inclusion at all.

When it comes to anything connected with women's biology, there is a huge drive towards erasing us. Making it a generic 'people'. Yet that drive is completely absent around men's biology. The funds and awareness raising activities around prostate cancer, for example, talk about men, males and boys all the time. No challenge, no awkwardness, no second-guessing. It's only women's biology has to be disconnected from the very language used to describe us, and that's because it's part of the drive to abolish all women's single sex provision. You can't defend what you are not allowed to define. Orwell was very clear that those who control language control the conversation - and we are not accepting this. As the slogan goes: we will not debate our right to exist.

If this were about inclusion, it would affect men, too. Scotland wouldn't have new legislation that says men are male sexed people, but a woman is anyone who identifies as such. Yet it doesn't. The Green Party wouldn't have tried to define humanity by the terms, "men and non-men". This has nothing to do with inclusion for transmen and NB people - which could be far better achieved by naming them with women, and thus truly including all - and everything to do with erasing the descriptor of woman, and even female, as belonging to us as a sex class.

Think about it. Women are disadvantaged across all walks of life and all classes and in myriad ways because of our biology. Because we have kids, we are smaller and weaker physically, and we have a long, long history of being treated as property - as literally chattel. We have combated that with huge success in the past century in the same way all groups do - collective action, and because there is a clear descriptor for us as that collective.

Uncouple the words from who we are, and make the term 'woman' and 'female' as well unisex - so there are males and females in one group, and no way to collectively organise as a group of female people, because we're not allowed to do so as it is deemed hateful... and how can we defend our rights? In a world where it's declared that men can give birth and women are as likely to rape and commit serious crimes of violence (because the stats are very, very clear that transwomen do offend at standard male rates) and you are not allowed to have language to point out the old sex classes at all - how can you counter that? How can you defend reproductive rights, under assault all over the world, when transwomen protest that it's exclusionary for the women's march to address that because they don't have a female reproductive system - only you can't call it female now, because according to Eve's Trust that's hateful, too?

Being kind is great. Can people start to be kind to women? Please? Right now, what we get are death and rape threats whenever we try to point out that this linguistic land-grab harms our interests, and erases our capacity to retain anything as a single-sex provision. Ask Rosie Duffield, JK Rowling, and all the less famous women who have tried.[/quote]
This is the best comment I have ever read on this site.

Deliriumoftheendless · 24/10/2020 14:15

So let me check I’m up to date with my slogans-

Transwomen are women
Women are non transwomen
Transmen are people who bleed
Men are men

Inclusive.

TartanLassie · 24/10/2020 14:15

Oh my fucking eyes! Why did I click on #transisbeutiful? I didn't realise twitter was so full of porn!

And I can't believe that Tampax is advertising it! Fuck sake!!!

It just gets worse.

StanfordPines · 24/10/2020 14:14

@SarahG6383

I’m confused about all the hate. Surely they are trying to include transgender men. Transgender men still bleed every month and I’m guessing here, don’t like being labelled as a woman? so I get it. So it’s including them too?
It’s not the inclusion of trans men that is the problem but the removal of the word woman. I’d sooner see ‘women and transmen’ rather than ‘people who bleed’.
PotholeParadies · 24/10/2020 14:11

@SmallPug

Apparently Mooncup (the brand) also goes in for ‘not all people who have periods are women’ too, sadly. Seen on Twitter. Everyone saying Bodyform ad was good, but I am pretty sure that the woman with chest scars (womb stories) is meant to be a trans man rather than a women who’s had a mastectomy? I’ve seen people applauding their ‘inclusivity’.
I'm personally fine with that. Including transmen? Sure.

I just object to women being excluded to appease transwomen.

Whatwouldscullydo · 24/10/2020 14:10

asking

Reddit will answer your questions

Let's just say erm...there 1 or 2 individuals who don't buy them.....nuff said

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/10/2020 14:08

A transwoman seems very unlikely to need Tampax, though. Or is spending money on them every 28.5 days (I'm absolutely sure transwomen would have spot-on regular periods) and inserting them two or three times a day for five days part of feeling and acting like a woman?

wellbehavedwomen · 24/10/2020 14:07

@SarahG6383

I’m confused about all the hate. Surely they are trying to include transgender men. Transgender men still bleed every month and I’m guessing here, don’t like being labelled as a woman? so I get it. So it’s including them too?

So say, "women, transmen & NB people" then, which includes everyone - and erases nobody. But here's the thing: that erasure is the point. It's not about inclusion at all.

When it comes to anything connected with women's biology, there is a huge drive towards erasing us. Making it a generic 'people'. Yet that drive is completely absent around men's biology. The funds and awareness raising activities around prostate cancer, for example, talk about men, males and boys all the time. No challenge, no awkwardness, no second-guessing. It's only women's biology has to be disconnected from the very language used to describe us, and that's because it's part of the drive to abolish all women's single sex provision. You can't defend what you are not allowed to define. Orwell was very clear that those who control language control the conversation - and we are not accepting this. As the slogan goes: we will not debate our right to exist.

If this were about inclusion, it would affect men, too. Scotland wouldn't have new legislation that says men are male sexed people, but a woman is anyone who identifies as such. Yet it doesn't. The Green Party wouldn't have tried to define humanity by the terms, "men and non-men". This has nothing to do with inclusion for transmen and NB people - which could be far better achieved by naming them with women, and thus truly including all - and everything to do with erasing the descriptor of woman, and even female, as belonging to us as a sex class.

Think about it. Women are disadvantaged across all walks of life and all classes and in myriad ways because of our biology. Because we have kids, we are smaller and weaker physically, and we have a long, long history of being treated as property - as literally chattel. We have combated that with huge success in the past century in the same way all groups do - collective action, and because there is a clear descriptor for us as that collective.

Uncouple the words from who we are, and make the term 'woman' and 'female' as well unisex - so there are males and females in one group, and no way to collectively organise as a group of female people, because we're not allowed to do so as it is deemed hateful... and how can we defend our rights? In a world where it's declared that men can give birth and women are as likely to rape and commit serious crimes of violence (because the stats are very, very clear that transwomen do offend at standard male rates) and you are not allowed to have language to point out the old sex classes at all - how can you counter that? How can you defend reproductive rights, under assault all over the world, when transwomen protest that it's exclusionary for the women's march to address that because they don't have a female reproductive system - only you can't call it female now, because according to Eve's Trust that's hateful, too?

Being kind is great. Can people start to be kind to women? Please? Right now, what we get are death and rape threats whenever we try to point out that this linguistic land-grab harms our interests, and erases our capacity to retain anything as a single-sex provision. Ask Rosie Duffield, JK Rowling, and all the less famous women who have tried.

Blindingly0bvious · 24/10/2020 14:05

Everyone saying Bodyform ad was good, but I am pretty sure that the woman with chest scars (womb stories) is meant to be a trans man rather than a women who’s had a mastectomy? I’ve seen people applauding their ‘inclusivity’.

To me that's fine because I would include all women and a transman is a woman.

BigBadVoodooHat · 24/10/2020 13:57

Oh, the irony of the following in their sidebar:

"Tampax is committed to making period conversation as normal as periods."

Making period conversation normal by pretending that non-female-bodied people menstruate? Idiots. Hmm

StanfordPines · 24/10/2020 13:49

@BaronessWrongCrowd

FFS Natracare and Mooncup as well Halloween Angry
Noooo. Not moon cup. I buy my stuff from Earthwise Girls. No doubt there. (I’ve not had a period in about 3 years mind).
Datun · 24/10/2020 13:45

@doadeer

I work in marketing and absolutely everything is measured and analysed. I'm so curious whether these brands see any meaningful dip in sales or performance metrics. Obviously their social media engagement increases - though it's predominately negative sentiment and I would think this would also increase website visits. But does it directly impact sales?
I was just wondering this.
Datun · 24/10/2020 13:44

I hope you answered “a potato.”

🤣

Awning10 · 24/10/2020 13:38

It’s OK, I’ve sent that one 😂👍

Good work! Halloween Grin

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/10/2020 13:38

I’ve seen people applauding their ‘inclusivity’.

I didn't mind that so much, because the advert was so clearly focussed on the female experience, and didn't talk about "people who menstruate".

GingerBeverage · 24/10/2020 13:35

The Nappy Lady team just emailed to say they are launching The Period Lady and there's a 20% discount code (not sure if I'm allowed to post it).

www.theperiodlady.co.uk

Here at The Nappy Lady we are passionate about nappies and have kept our website as a dedicated nappy specialist however over the years we have expanded to include a select range of reusable sanitary & incontinence wear. 

People have become more aware of the plastic impact their period is having on the environment and we have seen a huge increase in demand for these products. Since we moved warehouse we have been able to dedicate our entire mezzanine level to reusable pads, cups and pants. 

In line with demand and our passion for these products I am now very pleased to be able to introduce you to our brand NEW sister website The Period Lady.._ 

The Period Lady is run by the same team of ladies, with the same super fast packing and dispatching times. The Period Lady has a lower minimum postage level of £20 so it's cheaper for you to top up if mother nature catches you out! 

We hope the new dedicated sanitary wear website will help us to spread the word even further about reusable menstrual products and to help even more people make the choice for a more environmentally friendly period.

EstuaryBird · 24/10/2020 13:28

@Awning10

Sent too soon! Should have included the anal and masturbation! Grin
It’s OK, I’ve sent that one 😂👍
Awning10 · 24/10/2020 13:26

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SmallPug · 24/10/2020 13:24

Apparently Mooncup (the brand) also goes in for ‘not all people who have periods are women’ too, sadly. Seen on Twitter. Everyone saying Bodyform ad was good, but I am pretty sure that the woman with chest scars (womb stories) is meant to be a trans man rather than a women who’s had a mastectomy? I’ve seen people applauding their ‘inclusivity’.