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OhHolyJesus · 22/10/2020 09:27

I mean I'm not surprised but Bitesize is used by schools through the country as a supposed reliable, unbiased source of education material.

mobile.twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1319025713475952641?fbclid=IwAR0rTBD2j5PKOeTKvYSSX90c4RUDmJDo7Zg613qnDBXNaAncv3J8epYWLSQ

You can complain here:

www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints/make-a-complaint

Or email your MP and cc MPs Safe Schools Alliance on info@safeschoolsallianceuk.

In the tweet thread there are some people already complaining. I'm not a defund the BBC kind of person but I can see why license fee layers are questioning what the BBC are doing with their money (there is a website 'BBC complaints' that's all about biased Brexit coverage).

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Datun · 24/10/2020 15:21

Working class women don't have any money? And can't decide where to spend it? Dear God.

The bottom of the barrel not only had a sub-basement, it had an entire subterranean layer of molten misogyny.

Butterer · 24/10/2020 15:20

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Datun · 24/10/2020 15:18

It's tra logic innit.

No one who is middle-class can be disabled, a single parent, or unemployed. As any fule kno.

And no one who is working class campaigns against sexism and misogyny.

So half of us don't need feminism, and the other half can't do it. Ta da!!

When actually women coming together, to talk, share experiences, empower themselves and each other, and fight, effectively, against misogyny, must be criticised, insulted and intimidated, because men are petrified of it.

jj1968 · 24/10/2020 15:17

@testing987654321

Wtf does it matter what class anyone here is? We're mostly women and we know what a woman is. And we know that teaching kids ze zir and zim is a load of nonsense.
Class matters. We've already seen Kathleen Stock talking about breathing a sigh of relief at the elction of a Tory government. Well I doubt any single mums currently being socially exported from their homes due to the benefit cap breathed a sigh of relief. I doubt any disabled women desperately trying to get the benefits they and need and deserve breathed a sigh of relief, or the thousands of families stuck in B&Bs or the women on the streets. So we've already seen that some middle class gender critical activists are prepared to fuck over poor women in their quest to own the trans. I'm sure plenty would be equally prepared to fuck over LGB people or people of colour or working class women if a right wing potential government came along and promised to scrap the GRA and end trans inclusive policies.

And yes not everyone GC is middle class. But you surely can't deny the character and composition of much of the movement, you're always boasting about how many professionals you have and how easy it is to rise money. I think it's desperately sad watching people who say they can't afford it donating to crowdfunders for vanity court cases brought my middle class men like Glinner. Harry and Caspian that have far more to do with preseving their egos than defending women's rights. You'll' never be invited to the top table I'm afraid. You won't be on the podium. The middle clases will take your labour and your money, and you know what, if we do end up with a shitshow of a government like the one in Poland, they'll blame you for it as they either collaborate or quietly cover their tracks and any part they may have played in instigating the situation.

yourhairiswinterfire · 24/10/2020 15:14

@testing987654321

Wtf does it matter what class anyone here is? We're mostly women and we know what a woman is. And we know that teaching kids ze zir and zim is a load of nonsense.
It doesn't matter to us, it was the poster saying that writing to MP's is frightfully middle class, just rubbed me up the wrong way. Like I'm too thick as a lower class citizen to take part in campaigns like that, and should be on the street rioting like a thug instead or something.

I think it's been nice seeing people talk about their backgrounds here. I sometimes feel like posters are way more intelligent than me and it can put me off posting my opinion sometimes (my own issue, I know, I'm extremely grateful to every woman that posts here), so it's nice to see there's a variety. We're all from different backgrounds with differing life experiences but we're united on this issue.

334bu · 24/10/2020 15:09

Haven't had the lesbians yet?

HecatesCats · 24/10/2020 15:06

It's TRA bingo:

Aligned with the right
Middle class privilege
White female privilege
Ferocious/hysterical/vile (delete as appropriate)
Etc

Keep reading from the script JJ

midgebabe · 24/10/2020 15:05

Pulp had some lyrically great stuff

SmallPug · 24/10/2020 15:02

I hope they’ve realised the potential Safeguarding consequences in teaching children not to use correct words for things. And yes very much hope there will be some wider discussions at the BBC. They’ve been pedalling a lot of dangerous crap recently - like the awful First Day (?? Was that the trans kid drama), normalising children thinking they can change sex.

testing987654321 · 24/10/2020 15:01

www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zp6ftrd

The tweet might have gone but the article is still there.

testing987654321 · 24/10/2020 14:59

Wtf does it matter what class anyone here is? We're mostly women and we know what a woman is. And we know that teaching kids ze zir and zim is a load of nonsense.

OnlyBejoking · 24/10/2020 14:56

So pleased they've taken the pronouns posts down. I hope there's been some good conversations happening about it at Bitesize and the wider BBC. More sunlight on this nonsense!

howlsmovingcastle84 · 24/10/2020 14:53

Grew up in a Northern seaside town that is regularly used on the news as an example of 'deprivation'. My parents never went to university. My mum is a care-worker and my dad works in hospitality. They should really be retiring now but they can't afford to live on their meager pensions. My dad is also still waiting (going on 2 years now) for a nerve to be severed to stop the debilitating pain in his hip.

I hope to live beyond 70 so don't think I count as middle-aged?

Can I still be GC???

trying not to launch into common people here!
Great song! Though I think misshapes is underrated

334bu · 24/10/2020 14:50

How dare this " right wing extremist middle class " woman object to allowing male prisoners in female prisons.!

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/female-prisoner-takes-government-to-court-after-alleged-assault-by-transgender-inmate-n5wtg2nf7?shareToken=f2e99b28b2f234eb7e84b0c4484e7254

Malahaha · 24/10/2020 14:48

I'm non-white (is that the same as non-trans), non-English, an immigrant from a very poor Third World country (basically Windrush generation), took care of a seriously disabled (helpless as a baby in nappies) husband for many years. For a few years, was a single mother. My father was deeply, seriously Marxist. I pulled myself up by the bootstraps...

But oh no! I'm middle class! don't know hardship AT ALL! I have no empathy AT ALL! /sarcasm

jj you know NOTHING about the women here. Nothing at all.

Melroses · 24/10/2020 14:43

@SmallPug

I might be wrong but I think Bitesize has taken down the post?
It looks like it.

They remembered International Stutterers awareness too, eventually.

Butterer · 24/10/2020 14:40

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/10/2020 14:32

Nobody middle-class is disabled or unemployed, and they don't bring up children on their own?

Fuck a stoat sideways, what century are you living in? Come to that, what planet?

I think we need to go back a few decades and try to define "classes in England" again; is;t there some system using the alphabet for that, these days?

I also think you badly need to sort out your left from your right -- or else please don't ever drive, you'd be a menace on the road.

yourhairiswinterfire · 24/10/2020 14:30

@SophocIestheFox

I’m not sure that JJ can see your posts, yourhair. Maybe they’re covered in some sort of Hitchhikers Guide “someone else’s problem” field?
Like that selective hearing thing kids do, isn't it? Call them down from upstairs because they're in trouble-can't hear you. Call them down because you've got them some sweets, and they're in front of you before you've finished your sentence. Grin
Cocothefirst · 24/10/2020 14:29

I'm an atheist who grew up on a council estate. Thatcher fucked over my family and we grew up poor.

My close family includes gay and trans people.

You don't know anything about the women here. You're assuming we're all straight, white and middle class. You'd be wrong on all three counts.

You can get to fuck with your unpleasant insinuations and veiled threats. You don't know us. But most of all you'll never be us which really pisses you off.

midgebabe · 24/10/2020 14:27

Could you start again I am well and truely lost.

Are you saying that anyone who is gender critical is comfortably middle class, no empathy and , havinh always been middle class , have never experienced hardships such as hum, mould in the council house, mass unemployment because the government on London wanted to squash the north, ...trying not to launch into common people here!

In that case, oops, stop stereotyping people and you might make better points

SophocIestheFox · 24/10/2020 14:23

I’m not sure that JJ can see your posts, yourhair. Maybe they’re covered in some sort of Hitchhikers Guide “someone else’s problem” field?

jj1968 · 24/10/2020 14:17

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Malahaha · 24/10/2020 14:13

@SmallPug

I might be wrong but I think Bitesize has taken down the post?
It's gone from Facebook too.
yourhairiswinterfire · 24/10/2020 14:13

I realise my post above may sound like a pity party, I was just trying to point out that women's rights affect every woman, from every walk of life. It's not a class issue.

Fancy a lower class dreg of society like me writing to an MP 😱 I bet Liz Truss decontaminated her office and ran an anti virus scan once she read my email.

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