BBC Bitsize - Pronouns

I’m sure it’s been said before by someone very wise.... are we not all just people with sexed bodies and a personality?

How is a non-binary person 'not like' other people?

What are the thought processes, behaviours and characteristics that distinguish a non-binary person from a binary one?

As seen from the other thread an autistic teenager now has a criminal record fir asking a pcso if they were a bit or a girl.

This is the cloud we are expecting children to live under.

And straight away from your child as an example, we see how this is the opposite of inclusive.

Can the NHS and the BBC also advise me how to visually explain this new form of learning pronouns to my autistic child who has difficulties with functional verbal communication and understanding of social cues please? He is nearly 7 and he doesn't quite grasped basic me and you yet let alone he, she and they. All the therapy materials have pictures of he - boy, she - girl, they - group.

Can Stonewall, BBC and NHS explain to me - why in God's name can't we pick a different word for a pronoun to refer to Non-binary? Why is 'They' being promoted as though we are incapable of making up a different word? What does 'acceptance without exception' even mean and how is that a good policy if it means so much added pressure and difficulty and confusion for kids like mine whose brains are just wired differently to understand words and are not neuro-typical. So what if my child looks at a person and has used the wrong pronoun because 1. he hasn't grasped the concept i.e. he doesn't understand that people can 'prefer' pronouns 2. he finds it confusing when the same word can mean different things in different context 3. He doesn't intentionally set out to 'harm' a person if he uses the wrong pronouns - he doesn't understand discrimination and cannot discriminate against any specific group. If Stonewall thinks there should be no exceptions even in this case, then I am really sad and sorry - this is against inclusivity and actively discriminating against neuro-atypical language challenged kids.

Why is it a safeguarding issue to accept people for who they are?

We no longer accept that nice man that turns up on the doorstep and asks to come in and explain your water meter to you without prior appointment with the water company and a verifiable id. This is because too many people have learned the hard way, and you can't put things right after the event.

Teaching young people to take anyone at face value without considering their own needs is undoing this.

Ffs - despite all the outcry about GIDS etc the beeb just can't let it go can they?

What I object to is that the onus and full responsibility is being passed onto everyone else. It's apparently MY job to make sure everyone around me is feeling safe, whilst my head spins trying to keep up with all the demands that I ensure I don't make them feel unsafe by using the wrong pronouns.

I'm fucking exhausted. As if I don't have enough on my plate, now I have to consider the feelings of randoms who may, or may not, change their gender ID on a dime, leaving me, yet again, in the wrong and subject to social justice.

Fuck that.

What's the harm in teaching 'gender identity', you ask?

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Gosh, just reading that gives me anxiety. It seems to me it’s imposing on children that adult paranoia about inadvertently offending someone - over something (almost) entirely invented. The fear of social slip up and embarrassment for teens in particular is massive, asking them to change their basic language that they’ve been using from infancy, at risk of discipline or social isolation/ostracism from a friendship group seems to be setting them up to fail.

In general you rarely use third person pronouns to someone’s face. I think at the very least ‘they’ is general enough... without all the made-up, non-pronounceable ones

The truth is anti trans now?

Sorry if eyes offend...theres not alot we can do about that

Ok I get it!
I’m not going to engage with this thread any longer.
You can’t persuade people to change their mind with logic if they have an agenda!
You’re lumping non-binary in with your anti-trans agenda and and I’m not going there!
As a woman with a daughter - I have never felt threatened by someone uncomfortable with their gender.

Sorry should say , having to accept they are the sex they claim to be.

You get the gist

Its gaslighting. And dangerous.

Why is it a safeguarding issue to accept people for who they are?

You know exactly why accepting people are a different sex the one they claim to be is a safeguarding issue.

There's a word for forcing children to override their natural boundaries framed as being "inclusive"

What’s the problem with letting people know how to be inclusive?

Can you define "inclusive" in that question?

surely if you can make someone comfortable/happy by using their preferred pronoun you would?

Surely if you can make someone comfortable/happy by refraining from asking them their pronouns, or requiring them to remember other people's, you would? Why are you trying to make spaces less welcoming for people who don't believe in gender?

Much longer answer here (thanks Téa):

teasmith.com.au/how-being-nice-will-destroy-us-all/

Why is it a safeguarding issue to accept people for who they are?

Would you use the same argument if a very religious person was saying it was a safeguarding issue to be asked to accept a gay person’s right to be gay?

My complaint: Stonewall advice on pronouns is informed by an ideological agenda which does not respect the biological category of women and girls. This has enormous implications for safeguarding. A girl should never be taught that she must pretend that a male is not male. An education resource should not be peddling ideologically driven material. Education should not collude with any sort of narrative based on an idea that one can be born in the wrong body. Education should challenge gender stereotypes. It should not propagate an ideological idea such as gender identity, which is based on stereotypes and for which there is no empirical evidence. Please see: safeschoolsallianceuk.net/

Gay people weren't asking fir anything that affected anyone else. Its a false equivalence.

No one was put in danger or gaslighted for accepting someone as gay . It required nothing from anyone else.

If someone identifies as non-binary, why does that bother so many people?
It reminds me of when gay people were historically vilified because straight people couldn’t handle that not everyone is like them!
It doesn’t hurt you if Gemma wants to be addressed as ze, so why have a problem with it?

Whether you agree with people choosing their gender or not - surely if you can make someone comfortable/happy by using their preferred pronoun you would?

I dont think gaslighting children enables us to keep them safe. Its not the harmless inclusive gesture it makes out.

What about autistic children and those with LDs who would find it extremely distressing to ve forced to say something they can see isnt true

BBC Bitesize have retweeted but have prevented people from replying and pointing out the safeguarding concerns with it!

mobile.twitter.com/bbcbitesize/status/1319211222517059584

Why do the BBC want to prevent parents and children from understanding the safeguarding concerns around teaching children that if they do not feel comfortable in their ‘male or female categories’, then this means that they are ‘non-binary’?

Why are the BBC trying stop people on twitter from pointing out the safeguarding concerns around teaching children that they must accept ‘people for who they are and being inclusive of everyone, regardless of gender identity.‘?

www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zp6ftrd

What’s the problem with letting people know how to be inclusive?

Whether you agree with people choosing their gender or not - surely if you can make someone comfortable/happy by using their preferred pronoun you would?