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BBC Bitsize - Pronouns

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OhHolyJesus · 22/10/2020 09:27

I mean I'm not surprised but Bitesize is used by schools through the country as a supposed reliable, unbiased source of education material.

mobile.twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1319025713475952641?fbclid=IwAR0rTBD2j5PKOeTKvYSSX90c4RUDmJDo7Zg613qnDBXNaAncv3J8epYWLSQ

You can complain here:

www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints/make-a-complaint

Or email your MP and cc MPs Safe Schools Alliance on info@safeschoolsallianceuk.

In the tweet thread there are some people already complaining. I'm not a defund the BBC kind of person but I can see why license fee layers are questioning what the BBC are doing with their money (there is a website 'BBC complaints' that's all about biased Brexit coverage).

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/10/2020 17:03

Someone posted it on another thread recently, will find and copy and paste here.

OldCrone · 24/10/2020 17:02

@MichelleofzeResistance

And let refuge workers and residents decide how best to manage that, not a bunch of posh outsiders sticking their nose into working class affairs.

Is it time to post that statement from the Deptford Women's Project again?

Because that was their entire issue, about highly entitled, highly privileged, highly educated students invading working class projects to take over the time and space to lecture the users, many in urgent immediate need, about gender, identity politics, the language needed to be learned and used, and that those students were the most oppressed of anyone using the project. It was let them eat caking of the highest order.

I was just thinking about posting about that project. I've been looking for the statement but I keep coming up with dead links. If you have it to hand I think it's definitely relevant here.
gardenbird48 · 24/10/2020 17:02

hi jj, could you describe the middle class people please and why we are so horrid and also 'fucking tories' - why are tories so bad? I know some very nice hard working ones.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/10/2020 17:00

Please do address the point about the Deptford People's Project, O Class Warrior.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/10/2020 16:58

Funding not finding

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 24/10/2020 16:57

Perhaps if women weren’t being socialised into being kind. If women’s work wasn’t seen as lesser. If women weren’t pushed into the default parent and carer role their lives would be better. What helps push them into those roles the same bloody stereotypes that TRA love. What helps keep them in those roles male bodies persons seeking to claim the few protections women have managed to secure. How safe do you think rights like maternity leave will be if the concept of woman is delinked from biology.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/10/2020 16:57

And fuck the people at the top of those organisatiosn. That's why I said workers and residents, not managers.

If it weren't for the woke people at the top, and the threats to finding, I imagine more workers would feel that they were free to express any concerns they had. Because they have to do it anonymously at the moment.

FleetsumNLangCleg · 24/10/2020 16:53

I suspect the beauty pageant speech is an example of "look over here, not over there! No, over HERE!"

jj1968 · 24/10/2020 16:53

@Ereshkigalangcleg

This is actually quite pathetic. The people at the top of public funded organisations frequently are posh outsiders in these stupidly simplistic terms. They are often graduate only jobs populated by managerial class people that have no experience of front line working.

This. I wish LangCleg could give this the scathing treatment it deserves.

And fuck the people at the top of those organisatiosn. That's why I said workers and residents, not managers.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/10/2020 16:51

This is actually quite pathetic. The people at the top of public funded organisations frequently are posh outsiders in these stupidly simplistic terms. They are often graduate only jobs populated by managerial class people that have no experience of front line working.

This. I wish LangCleg could give this the scathing treatment it deserves.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/10/2020 16:50

And let refuge workers and residents decide how best to manage that

Who is asking the residents what they want? Consistently research has found that female survivors value a female only space and female support.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/10/2020 16:50

Datun
"Given this person has got nothing to say at all about women in a homeless shelter, who were subjected to sexual humiliation, or a woman small business owner, who is subjected to online harassment"

But there was someone with a name made up of a pair of initials and a date who was all over the thread about the small business owner being harassed, very firmly saying that woman was in the wrong and deserved it. Over and over and over again.

midgebabe · 24/10/2020 16:47

Most of the people here have the unique experience of their own lives, and by reading we become better more knowledgable people

It is always fascinating how some people really can't understand that someone could possibly think differently, whilst others want to learn why people think differently

MichelleofzeResistance · 24/10/2020 16:47

How about worrying about and fighting for the things our class desperately needs to live freely without need and with dignity for all

Like single sex spaces you mean?

Got that one covered. Worrying about and fighting for that as hard as I can thanks.

MichelleofzeResistance · 24/10/2020 16:45

And let refuge workers and residents decide how best to manage that, not a bunch of posh outsiders sticking their nose into working class affairs.

Is it time to post that statement from the Deptford Women's Project again?

Because that was their entire issue, about highly entitled, highly privileged, highly educated students invading working class projects to take over the time and space to lecture the users, many in urgent immediate need, about gender, identity politics, the language needed to be learned and used, and that those students were the most oppressed of anyone using the project. It was let them eat caking of the highest order.

Escapeplanning · 24/10/2020 16:34

And let refuge workers and residents decide how best to manage that, not a bunch of posh outsiders sticking their nose into working class affairs.

This is actually quite pathetic. The people at the top of public funded organisations frequently are posh outsiders in these stupidly simplistic terms. They are often graduate only jobs populated by managerial class people that have no experience of front line working.

Even Jess Phillips whose credibility seemingly stems from work in the sector actually worked as a Business Development manager on bid management, a job that commits the front line as a condition of contracts to policies determined SOLEY by the funding providers who are also managerial class graduates.

I read an article where she spoke about getting a bee in her bonnet about getting women in refuges registered to vote, something SHE considered a priority for those women, but she found in reality this was the last thing they gave a shit about when she tried to impose her "programme" on the women.
Posters here sometimes similarly have so much advice and so much to say about women's lives with so little knowledge or experience.

Cocothefirst · 24/10/2020 16:33

I'm not buying the beauty pageant list.

You do you, jj, and women will crack on fighting for our own rights. Whether you approve or not.

FloralBunting · 24/10/2020 16:31

I think the 'weaponization' accusation is so interesting when it's used in these contexts. Women try to explain, in response to males demanding access to women's rights and provisions, why they need those rights. This gets called weaponization, but that is truly a classic reversal, as it is an attempt to shield their rights and provisions from those who want it from them.

Well I say, lock shields, sisters. Your lives will make all the difference. Tell your stories and your histories and never be intimidated by those who dismiss them.

DialSquare · 24/10/2020 16:25

Another thread nearing the posting limit.

Datun · 24/10/2020 16:23

@Butterer

^ sorry, I haven't put that quite right. I'd actually love to not feel like I have to justify my opinion or support by having to refer to my lived experience (and then risk being accused of weaponising it).
I know exactly what you meant, butterer 💐
Datun · 24/10/2020 16:22

@midgebabe

what guilted planet are you living on

Well the world peace post reminded me of a beauty pageant winner

Given this person has got nothing to say at all about women in a homeless shelter, who were subjected to sexual humiliation, or a woman small business owner, who is subjected to online harassment, it wouldn't surprise me if the whole paragraph is a copy and paste from somewhere else entirely.
Butterer · 24/10/2020 16:21

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334bu · 24/10/2020 16:21

So jj we all agree : female only refuges, prisons,hospital wards,homeless shelters,changing rooms and toilets. Yeah!

Butterer · 24/10/2020 16:18

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Datun · 24/10/2020 16:14

You know what? And this isn't even snark. I'd give my right arm for some of that male privilege.

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