BBC Bitsize - Pronouns

Presumably because that matches her gender

ooh ooh JJ

what are the characteristics of a female gender? how do I know if i've got one?

come on, answer, help a girl woman what ever out

Do you think it's acceptable to use racist slurs, or derogatory terms based on someone's sexuality as long as they aren't present?

jeez louise what out and out snow flakery

way to downplay actual racist and sexist abuse. someone being able to identify your sex is NOT the same as racist abuse

give your head a wobble

So when you say "gender" you are talking about something you only know by asking a person?

That's not how pronouns work and not how I use them. They are based on perceived sex.

It's not a lie, pronouns are based on gender in pretty much every language on earth.

Duolingo tells me that it's correct to use 'es' (it) for a girl, because the word for girl (das Madchen) is neuter. So it appears to be correct for German at least.

But we don't have genders in the grammatical sense in English. We only use 'he' and 'she' for people, sometimes for animals, and occasionally for inanimate objects. We use 'he' for male people and animals and 'she' for female people and animals. We use 'it' for an animal where we don't know the sex, or it's not important, and 'they' for a person when we don't know their sex. So the pronouns in English are based on sex, not gender. The exception to this is for some objects (like ships) which are sometimes referred to as 'she' (but never, as far as I am aware, as 'he').

jj

If you had to speak to the police becuase your child was missing, and bearing in mind hair can be cut clothes can be changed and the first few hours are critical. What pronouns would you expect the police to put out on the announcement. Bare in mind if you use the wrong one then the residents will be looking for children within in the wrong 50 percent of the population. But outing trans startus is a hate crime.

There are over a hundred genders according to the bbc

Exciting isn't it, what young people are doing. I suspect many second wave radical feminists such as Dworkin and Firestone would heartily approve. How can gender continue to function as a system of social control based on physical sex if there are a near infinite number of genders?

Yy @Alltheprettyseahorses the self-indulgent Ivory Tower elitism and (mainly white mc) privilege of the Genderist cult would be shocking if it wasn't so damn inevitable! It's like Guy of Gisborne from Maid Marian and Hugh Laurie's Prince Regent had a baby (which i'm sure is something considered technically possible in their Looking Glass world).

Presumably because that matches her gender. Do you know many trans men?

I'd also like to know what makes a ship female.

My guess is it's a hangover due to the fact our language is in part derived from gendered languages.

pronouns are based on gender

Gender is not a universal constant. How should a woman in Newcastle, a woman in Umoja, a woman in Khasi and a woman in Kyoto all be addressed? They exhibit radically different gendered expressions. Yet all are equally women.

jj seems to have experienced homophobic and misogyny tinged bullying at school. Jj doesn't seem remotely bothered by the horrific levels of homophobia and misogyny inherent in Genderism. That's a puzzler.

There are over a hundred genders according to the bbc

Most people use him/her and then they for plural.

So either we need hundreds of pronouns fir each gender none of which anyone is able to instantly recognise i mean how will I know if someone's tetris gender? Akd yes that's real Google it. Or there's something else that determins which one. Sex maybe??? Just a thought.

I won't lie you have mo right to make me and its not my lifes purpose to "be kind" to my own detriment and distress every minute if the day.

What does 'gender' mean jj? Or anyone who knows

Ps, using standard sex-based pronouns about people who aren't even present is not quite the same as racism or homophobia . Victim complex much? These are serious issues and to trivialise them to be at the level of forgetting to call someone zie is disgraceful.

Snap fine!

I find myself calling Blaire White "she", BW obviously passes some subconscious criteria that most trans people who say they are women just don't.

It's not a lie, pronouns are based on gender.

You keep saying this. Can you explain what you mean by it? I have always used pronouns based on the sex I perceive someone to be. So a very masculine looking woman I know who is easily mistaken for a man is still "she".

I'd also like to know what makes a ship female.

It's not a lie, pronouns are based on gender

No, they are not. They are based on the sex a person is perceived to be.

Really weird examples.

That's because there are no genuine ones.

I have corrected people at times to make sure my correct title is used on documentation. And I always try to use Miss or Mrs according to how someone wants to be addressed. I do tend to get it wrong though, my brain really struggles to remember the correct one. Fortunately, most women's self-esteem isn't damaged by the odd mistake.

Even if people want to be known by certain words, it's incredibly damaging if a culture is built around it which bases self-esteem and mental health on other people using those words.

Try shouting misogynist abuse at a female copper and see what the response is.

Careful now, you're presuming the gender of the officer here, how can we know how they identify without checking their pronouns? Wouldn't want to be "rude" and "stigmatising" would we..?

What is "polite" about forcing someone to tell a lie?

It's not a lie, pronouns are based on gender. And it's rude because people find it upsetting and it makes them uncomfortable.

For a period of time when I was a kid and trying desperately to ignore my gender dysphoria and fit in as a boy a bunch of other kids took to using a feminised version of my name and referring to me as she. It was bullying. Why would you want to be like that? Would you like to be treated like that? Why not just be polite?

I do wonder whether some of those kids have grown up to be gender critical and are now going round misgendering trans people in an attempt to bully and belittle them. Pronouns are often used to bully, if you don't know that then that's probably because you're pretty gender conforming and so it's never happened to you.

Always useful to keep an eye on the purpose of the thread. To ask why the BBC (ie adults) are using Bitesize to gaslight children into using this form of compelled speech? It's great that adults / parents are fighting back at this level of indoctrination of the young. For too long lobby groups have been allowed to gaslight with their preferred ideology. They're now being told to back off and leave children alone.

We modify our language for the comfort and dignity of others all the time, it's called being polite

So in the case where a woman had been assaulted by a trans woman, who's dignity is being protected when the victim is constantly told by the judge to refer to their male assailant as "she"?

Are you going to answer JJ.
Whats offensive about using eyes amd correctly observing the sex of a person?

Why is the word man.or woman not a state of biological reality but an insult?

I have noticed "female objects" tend to be things ...

Yep, get inside, drive, ride ... can't think why I find it so offensive!

In English, gendered pronouns are used to refer to people according to their sex. For clarity. You're welcome to start inventing pronouns which work on a different basis, and lie about your sex, but others are free to ignore you and instead use words which accord with biological reality, as they always have.

@EvenSupposing

So what is the word for the person who gestated you?