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The strategy of relinquishing the word "woman"

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GratedExposure · 20/10/2020 12:01

This is something I wonder about in a number of contexts (I'm not advocating it, just wondering): is anyone thinking that the best strategy here is to leave the word, and begin to label certain awards/events as "natal female" awards/events?

I know there are many arguments against this (first, why should we be having to start fighting anew for things which should never have been taken?). But at what point do we walk away and start again? The most obvious example is sport, because if there were "wom*n's" events (increasingly colonised by males) and "natal female" events, most of the strong female athletes would surely opt into the latter?

Are any organisations working towards this?

It's basically the same as the third space idea, but we'd be having to be the ones moving to a third space (wrong, but maybe better than the alternative...)...?

Is this crazy talk?

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Userzzz · 20/10/2020 13:02

Firm no.

Tootletum · 20/10/2020 13:02

I work for a global Bank I won't name. One of the biggest in the world. Their internal womens network thing posted the following sentence recently : "[we] will continue to collaborate more closely with other employee networks and increase focus on intersectionality - recognising there may be additional barriers to inclusion by gender for people who identify as ethnic minorities, LGBT+ or having disabilities"...

IwishNothingButTheBestForYou2 · 20/10/2020 12:59

@InflamatoryWrit

All the nopes in Nopeland

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RozWatching · 20/10/2020 12:59

What you're suggesting has already been adopted in certain quarters and it legitimises the hounding of women like Rosie Duffield when they use the word woman 'wrongly'.
No.

calllaaalllaaammma · 20/10/2020 12:58

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SaucyHorse · 20/10/2020 12:58

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SaucyHorse · 20/10/2020 12:53

I don't see that 'natal woman' is any better than cis, to be honest. The adjective sets up the idea that there are women who are not 'natal women'. But there aren't.

DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 20/10/2020 12:48

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InflamatoryWrit · 20/10/2020 12:44

All the nopes in Nopeland

DaisiesandButtercups · 20/10/2020 12:42

Boundaries comes to mind. Girls are so often brought up to be so “kind” and polite and to put others before themselves. We are not less than others. We can say no and mean it. We can have boundaries. If we stand together we can enforce our boundaries, even against men who hate us and seek to destroy us. We are women. We can’t just keep moving up for them until we fall off the edge of a cliff.

GrinitchSpinach · 20/10/2020 12:42

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Greencoatblue · 20/10/2020 12:39

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AvocadoBathroom · 20/10/2020 12:32

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334bu · 20/10/2020 12:19

No it's our word and nobody else's

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/10/2020 12:10

No, for the reasons mentioned. I understand where you are coming from, but it won't work.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/10/2020 12:02

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