Jk Rowling and trans issues... talk to me!

What was that, Joisanofthedales? paraphrasing obviously!

No one is denying that a group of people who believe they are the opposite sex internally exist.

But it's not their existence that's up for debate. That's emotive hyperbole. What's up for debate is whether a male person can be considered a woman.

Wow that was quick.

The acceptance of the mantra TWAW, No debate,

I can't imagine what it must be like to have your very existence as a trans person debated.
When you say debate, what, like debate whether you're really trans?
(With all the how do we know comments etc)
Whether you should get rights as a trans person, whether a trans man or a trans woman?
So I can understand no debate stance a bit there - to constantly have your entire existence up for "discussion" by people who aren't trans must be

That's a 'no' then joisaninthedales

Well, yes, your birth sex, what's between your legs on the outside, that's your birth sex, right, surely you know that?

Wait, you surely don't believe that there is nothing in your genetic make-up that makes you male or female, and that your sex is only determined by your actual external genitals?

I know I failed to spot someone taking the mickey upthread about livers and spleens etc matching penises (hard to spot a joke these days amongst all the genuinely-believed nonsense), but you're serious here, right?

People use cis to offend women. That is all.

Cis" as well as being a linguisitic sleight of hand which assumes everyone has a and agrees with "gender identity", enables women to be relabelled as the oppressors, which is of course ridiculous. "Cis privilege" my arse (my arse which will be judged and groped against my will).

I therefore wholeheartedly reject "cis".

Plus it implies that I accept the premise that males are just as much women as women. Which I do not. So no thanks, I won't be using it and I don't want it applied to me.

Much easier than grappling with them. Thank you Errol. Mumsnet is always educational.

There is tic remover? I wish I'd known that when I lived in the highlands.

Some great posts on here. Thank you

So true. No wonder the prevailing ideology is that if you change the things on the outside of your body, or between your legs, you've actually changed your sex. People are just being misled and not able to use their own critical analysis.

If I can't say when I find a term offensive then free speech is gone. Falsehoods and lies are being protected and promoted. I think I'm just really sick of the lies.

Yes.

Oh dear.
I got deleted and a strike for writing about an idea that was voiced in a video posted on mumsnet. You'd think they would have warned that you cannot mention anything about this video because the thoughts therein are banned. I don't think it was about the one where I said we have to lie (or else Stalinist lurkers will report the truth being spoken and any rejection of the new genderist ideology is deleted as 'Pravda" and falsehoods are maintained). But it confirms that post.

It was about the unacceptability of Cis and how offensive it was if you don't subscribe to the new 'genderist' ideology. It is a term which is from chemistry and it means nothing when applied to a person in such a way. That is why it has never been used to apply to people and their 'gender' before this brave new world. I also stated that it only means something to people who have adopted those beliefs.

If people are allowed to say Cis is a thing as applied to people, and use it to refer to people, why am I not allowed to give an example as to what I think it is equivalent? Cis is a term from organic chemistry and indicated the sides/location of functional groups. It does not have a meaning when applied to people to refer to their 'gender'. If you think people are divided into configurational isomers, then give me your scientific proof. That should be easy. Maybe Cis people (sic) have hearts in the place where others have spleens. Maybe Cis people (sic) have teeth in the place where others have the small intestine. Also, you'd have to confirm for each person that they buy into this new 'gender' ideology and agree with this term and how it applies to them.

If I can't say when I find a term offensive then free speech is gone. Falsehoods and lies are being protected and promoted. I think I'm just really sick of the lies. As for people who think their elective cosmetic surgery should trump a womens' life saving cancer surgery.... . You'd think someone would be embarrassed to show what a vile and deplorable person they are. Unfortunately, in society at the moment you are probably celebrated for being vile.

"Cis" as well as being a linguisitic sleight of hand which assumes everyone has a and agrees with "gender identity", enables women to be relabelled as the oppressors, which is of course ridiculous. "Cis privilege" my arse (my arse which will be judged and groped against my will).

I therefore wholeheartedly reject "cis".

This whole trans hysteria

• you shut off a lot of your potential audience with this incredibly patronising description. It's not hysteria. It's a reasonable reaction to our rights being eroded. Interesting that you frame that as 'hysteria'.

what tangible thing are you doing to help women, besides moaning on mumsnet and signing petitions?

• Silly women eh? Talking about our rights. Venting on a forum for mums as opposed to TRAs who contact people's workplaces to get them sacked, terrorise women online and try to shut down their events when they try to speak about their rights.

Every thread that is put up about surrogacy gets taken down. Call me bipolar Polly. No one gives a shit about that either. Not because we aren’t talking...they just get deleted, a few weeks ago there was a thread about women in mental health units...got deleted. So yes maybe we are being corralled into the trans issue, most of the other, brilliant emotive threads get deleted. I often wonder why.